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AIBU to think timing and charging for my showers is excessive?

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DuchessOf · 21/09/2026 20:53

I know this is going to sound completely ridiculous and I am aware that I probably need to grow a backbone, but I'm genuinely upset and don't know whether I'm being unreasonable.

I'm 37F and my sister, "Karen", is 41F. We're very different people. She's quite a big, loud woman and has always been very confident and outspoken. I'm small and quiet and tend to avoid confrontation. She says I'm "too sensitive", which is probably true.

I'm staying with her for a few weeks while some work is being done at my flat. I am very grateful because she has a spare room and I don't really want to stay in a hotel.
The problem is her hot water.

Karen is extremely careful with money. She has a combi boiler and apparently has worked out exactly how much a shower costs. When I arrived she told me that showers were limited to five minutes and that I should "think of the meter".

I honestly thought she was joking.

She wasn't.

There is now a little kitchen timer outside the bathroom. She says I'm supposed to set it before getting in the shower.

The first morning I was here I took about seven minutes because I'd washed my hair. She knocked on the door at five minutes and said, "That's your five."

I said, "Sorry, I've just got shampoo in my hair."

She said, "Well, you've had your warning."

I thought this was incredibly strange but didn't say anything.

She then told me I'd used 7p worth of hot water and asked me for 10p.

I laughed because I assumed she was joking.

She just looked at me and said, "It's not free."

I gave her the 10p.

Since then she's been keeping track. She has a notebook on the kitchen worktop with everyone's shower times written down. Mine says:
Monday – 6 mins – 12p
Tuesday – 4 mins – 8p
Wednesday – 8 mins – 16p

I asked why Wednesday was 16p and she said I'd "had the water running unnecessarily".

I honestly don't know how she knows this.

Yesterday I had a shower before work and she knocked after five minutes.

I said, "I'm nearly finished."

She said, "You're always nearly finished."

I got out.

Later she told me that she'd calculated I'd used an additional 11p of gas and that she thought it was "only fair" that I contributed £1 towards the week's hot water.

I gave it to her because I couldn't think of what else to do.
This morning I got up early because I thought I could have a shower before she woke up.

Apparently she has changed the boiler settings so that the hot water doesn't come on until 6.30am.

I turned the tap on at 6.15 and it was cold.

I texted her asking if there was something wrong with the boiler and she replied:

"No. It's 6.15. We've discussed this."

I hadn't realised we'd discussed it.

The really humiliating thing is that yesterday I went into town and bought a coffee. When I came home she said, "You can afford a £4.20 coffee but apparently you can't afford your share of the gas."

I said the coffee wasn't really relevant.

She said, "Everything's relevant when you're living in someone else's house."

I went upstairs and cried.

I know objectively that this sounds pathetic. We're talking about pennies. I can afford to pay for the water. It's not the money.

It's the fact that I feel like I'm being monitored constantly.
I now feel anxious every time I turn on a tap. I've started brushing my teeth with the bathroom door closed because I don't want her commenting on how long the water was running.

Last night she actually shouted upstairs:

"Are you having a bath?"

I wasn't. I'd dropped something in the sink.

I said no.

She said, "Good, because that's not happening."

I am beginning to dread being here. I don't want anyone to tell me to just leave because unfortunately it's not that simple and I don't have another option immediately available.

Karen says I'm being dramatic and that I'm "acting like she's withholding food".

She says I'm lucky she lets me stay here and that if I don't like her rules I can pay for a hotel. I do appreciate that it's her house. I really do.

But AIBU to think charging your sister 10p for a shower and keeping a notebook of her shower times is a bit excessive?

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BeUmberMember · 23/09/2026 16:50

DiscoElysia · 23/09/2026 11:49

I agree with you that it seems obsessive and as I pointed out before, it doesn't seem to be about the money itself - there is probably something else going on here that makes tracking and limiting water use feel important to her.

Obsessions and fears don't necessarily seem rational or understandable to others at all. We can't armchair diagnose of course, and loads of people have some level of obsessive / compulsive or anxiety-based behaviour that wouldn't necessarily meet the threshold for a clinical diagnosis. We all have our trigger points and oddities and 'things'. Trying to control something rigidly is often about trying to cope with anxiety. You previously mentioned that your sister has always been 'up tight', which could mean any number of things but does make me curious about whether there is something longer-term here that she is facing.

The other possibility is that it is about the money after all and that her financial situation is a lot more precarious than it seems and that this is what has put her into such a fearful state. If this is the case, there is something that makes it hard for her to accept offers of money from you that would make up for what you're costing her - again, doesn't have to seem rational to anyone else. A lot of people have a deep fear or dislike of asking for or accepting money, which again can be about our personality or our values or our life experiences and not necessarily anything that would get classified as a symptom of a mental health difficulty.

I suggested that you could address it openly with her and you said you couldn't as she would get too upset / angry. Only you can decide whether it is worth triggering these feelings off in order to get to a place of more understanding. Your only other choices are to accept it and endure it for as long as you need to or to leave and make another living arrangement.

It does sound hard for you, but presumably it must feel very hard for her to have someone disrupting her habits and her coping mechanisms. Personally I wouldn't agree to host someone if I knew that my anxieties about their water use would create tension, but everyone is different. Maybe her desire to help you outweighed that for her. Maybe she doesn't see how she acts about water as obsessive and just views it as reasonable and normal (after all, I've been a guest in the homes of people who have very different beliefs to me around cleanliness and about conventions of host / guest behaviour, and I've found this stressful and difficult, but I've had to accept that this is their normal, that they aren't likely to change anytime soon, and that it is up to me to decide whether this is a price I'm willing to pay to get to spend time with them in their home).

Edited

The above seems a good explanation re anxieties etc. When my elderly mother had a water meter fitted she insisted I never flushed the toilet after just having a wee, plus used her washing up water twice and scooped her bath water out in jugs to water her plants. It was like water was rationed and was going to cost her a fortune. We all have our own obsessions and comfort zones, just have to accept other people's even if they seem strange to us.

FruAashild · 23/09/2026 21:17

itsalltoplayfor · 22/09/2026 07:41

@FruAashild oops, accidentally Anglocentric there, didn't know there were £100 notes. Can you send me one as proof?😁

😀😁

Nearly50omg · 24/09/2026 16:55

DuchessOf · 23/09/2026 06:02

I suppose I'm grateful she isn't billing me a portion of her internet bill! However I think that sounds like a really insane way to host. I have family and friends stay with me all the time - I would rather hug an alligator than charge them council tax, TV license and Wi-Fi fees!!!

That isn't frugal to me, it's obsessive!

obsessive covering the bills that you are causing??!! You aren’t a weekend visitor you are staying for a long time! Therefore paying the council tax you are contributing to and the electricity, water etc is the bare minimum and not being “obsessive!” You have no idea that how much or little your sister earns and clearly don’t give a shit! No wonder she is pissed off with you!
entitled and selfish behaviour from you! Give your sister £150 a month to start with and don’t ask her just leave it in an envelop under her bedroom door or whatever and say that’s to cover the increase in her bills that you are causing

DuchessOf · 24/09/2026 18:55

Nearly50omg · 24/09/2026 16:55

obsessive covering the bills that you are causing??!! You aren’t a weekend visitor you are staying for a long time! Therefore paying the council tax you are contributing to and the electricity, water etc is the bare minimum and not being “obsessive!” You have no idea that how much or little your sister earns and clearly don’t give a shit! No wonder she is pissed off with you!
entitled and selfish behaviour from you! Give your sister £150 a month to start with and don’t ask her just leave it in an envelop under her bedroom door or whatever and say that’s to cover the increase in her bills that you are causing

Yes, obsessive! My being there has no impact on her Council tax or her home insurance. Why would I cover those? Utter nonsense!

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Idontpostmuch · 24/09/2026 19:04

FruAashild · 23/09/2026 21:17

😀😁

Haha I love this. In Scotland we had £1 notes for ages after they were withdrawn in England. When pound coins first appeared we hardly saw any. They were of course accepted everywhere, but if we went down to England they glared suspiciously at our notes.

HereWeGo1234 · 24/09/2026 21:03

Can I just ask if you were contributing financially to the running of your DSs home before you put this post up? (Sorry if I’ve missed this bit)

DuchessOf · 24/09/2026 23:00

HereWeGo1234 · 24/09/2026 21:03

Can I just ask if you were contributing financially to the running of your DSs home before you put this post up? (Sorry if I’ve missed this bit)

No, she covers all her own expenses. She is financially well off - and to the previous posters asking how I would know this, she's my sister! She shares this information with me as I am the one named in her will.

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Swiftie1878 · 24/09/2026 23:11

Idontpostmuch · 24/09/2026 19:04

Haha I love this. In Scotland we had £1 notes for ages after they were withdrawn in England. When pound coins first appeared we hardly saw any. They were of course accepted everywhere, but if we went down to England they glared suspiciously at our notes.

Nonsense. £1 coins were ‘trialled’ in Scotland first, then rolled out to the rest of the UK.

PyongyangKipperbang · 24/09/2026 23:48

Swiftie1878 · 24/09/2026 23:11

Nonsense. £1 coins were ‘trialled’ in Scotland first, then rolled out to the rest of the UK.

That doesnt make anything that @Idontpostmuch said untrue.
Why do you take it upon yourself to call her a liar?!

Foolish1984 · 25/09/2026 00:51

DuchessOf · 24/09/2026 18:55

Yes, obsessive! My being there has no impact on her Council tax or her home insurance. Why would I cover those? Utter nonsense!

It WILL affect her council tax, she will lose her 25% single person’s discount!

disturbia · 25/09/2026 03:06

Foolish1984 · 25/09/2026 00:51

It WILL affect her council tax, she will lose her 25% single person’s discount!

Only if she declares it it and who would for a few weeks

HereWeGo1234 · 25/09/2026 03:44

And now, what are you contributing?

Swiftie1878 · 25/09/2026 08:03

PyongyangKipperbang · 24/09/2026 23:48

That doesnt make anything that @Idontpostmuch said untrue.
Why do you take it upon yourself to call her a liar?!

I’m not calling her a liar, I’m suggesting she has a false memory. I lived in Scotland during the trial period and beyond.

Ponoka7 · 25/09/2026 09:45

Swiftie1878 · 24/09/2026 23:11

Nonsense. £1 coins were ‘trialled’ in Scotland first, then rolled out to the rest of the UK.

Go in any shop/chip shop etc there's signs saying, no Scottish notes taken, they were put up at the time @Idontpostmuch is referring to. They are quite correct, so do one with your 'nonsense'.

Idontpostmuch · 25/09/2026 10:02

Swiftie1878 · 25/09/2026 08:03

I’m not calling her a liar, I’m suggesting she has a false memory. I lived in Scotland during the trial period and beyond.

No false memory. I'm scottish. I clearly remember pound coins coming in. From memory 1983, but because I'm prone to these 'false memories' perhaps it was a year either side. The poll tax was trialled in Scotland. As for pound coins, you may be right, but that's irrelevant. Not talking about a trial, but the big rollout. We didn't get many of them. Of course we all got some but we were much more likely to have pound notes in our purses. It stands to reason that if there are notes being produced for much longer than in England, then it will take much longer for coins to outnumber notes than south of the border. Every year my sister's children used to get Xmas cards from an English relative with pound coins stuck inside. One called it his 'pound coin from England'. It was a slight novelty. I'm not saying the coin was an outrageously bizarre and foreign thing, but it was still noticeable when you got one. By the time I moved to England in 1993 they were common place but we still had notes. I pulled one out of my pocket and a friend looked astounded, claiming it was from the ark.

FruAashild · Yesterday 08:00

I think it's @Swiftie1878 who has the false memory. RBS still produce £1 notes, whereas the Bank of England stopped production over 40 years ago.

The Royal Bank of Scotland £1 note - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Royal_Bank_of_Scotland_%C2%A31_note

8misskitty8 · Yesterday 13:13

Swiftie1878 · 25/09/2026 08:03

I’m not calling her a liar, I’m suggesting she has a false memory. I lived in Scotland during the trial period and beyond.

To begin with since scotland still had £1 notes we used to have far more of them than the £1 coins until they were properly phased in and notes began to get removed from general circulation.
Same as when the current sizes of coins came in, the old shillings that where still being used in place of the 5p and the florin for 10p and all the other larger sized coins slowly got removed from circulation until no longer legal tender.

Not giving my age but I remember using half pennies to buy things too. Born and bred scot.

Idontpostmuch · Yesterday 13:22

8misskitty8 · Yesterday 13:13

To begin with since scotland still had £1 notes we used to have far more of them than the £1 coins until they were properly phased in and notes began to get removed from general circulation.
Same as when the current sizes of coins came in, the old shillings that where still being used in place of the 5p and the florin for 10p and all the other larger sized coins slowly got removed from circulation until no longer legal tender.

Not giving my age but I remember using half pennies to buy things too. Born and bred scot.

Oh yes sweets and choc always seemed to be x and a half p. I remember using shillings and two shilling pieces as 5p and 10p. Still lots of £1 notes around in 1993 when we moved south. On trips home used to like having them but had to make sure to spend them up there. Kept one as souvenir. As yrs passed we saw fewer when home and finally none. I don't remember a trial period in Scotland for £1 coins that a pp mentioned, although I remember the poll tax was trialled. I don't have an English accent, even now 😃

8misskitty8 · Yesterday 13:36

Idontpostmuch · Yesterday 13:22

Oh yes sweets and choc always seemed to be x and a half p. I remember using shillings and two shilling pieces as 5p and 10p. Still lots of £1 notes around in 1993 when we moved south. On trips home used to like having them but had to make sure to spend them up there. Kept one as souvenir. As yrs passed we saw fewer when home and finally none. I don't remember a trial period in Scotland for £1 coins that a pp mentioned, although I remember the poll tax was trialled. I don't have an English accent, even now 😃

Thats because The pound coin wasn't trialled in scotland first.

There was at some point a different design on the coin depending on where it was minted. Scottish ones may have been first but that was a few years after the pound coins started to be made.

Idontpostmuch · Yesterday 13:38

8misskitty8 · Yesterday 13:36

Thats because The pound coin wasn't trialled in scotland first.

There was at some point a different design on the coin depending on where it was minted. Scottish ones may have been first but that was a few years after the pound coins started to be made.

Thanks. I've always had a good memory so it's a relief to learn I'm no losing it. 😄

Edited not, not no.

Flannelfeet · Yesterday 13:51

She suits her name anyway. Total heidbanger!.

DuchessOf · Yesterday 20:00

Foolish1984 · 25/09/2026 00:51

It WILL affect her council tax, she will lose her 25% single person’s discount!

You have got to be joking. Who on earth would declare a temporary guest staying with them?

Or do you ring the council every time a friend spends the night?!?

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LiquoriceAllsorts2 · Today 06:27

DuchessOf · Yesterday 20:00

You have got to be joking. Who on earth would declare a temporary guest staying with them?

Or do you ring the council every time a friend spends the night?!?

But you are not just spending the night. You are living there - you are there an extended period of time and do not have an alternative address. You are not paying council tax elsewhere.

you either need to leave or make it official that you are staying and pay her this.

DuchessOf · Today 07:27

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · Today 06:27

But you are not just spending the night. You are living there - you are there an extended period of time and do not have an alternative address. You are not paying council tax elsewhere.

you either need to leave or make it official that you are staying and pay her this.

I'm still paying council tax on my home, along with my home insurance and my TV license and whatever else I pay!

I am leaving her home early next week and neither of us will be making anything "official". Utter nonsense.

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2children3dogs · Today 07:39

OP, I stayed with my sister for 6 months 10 years ago. I'm still traumatised by my time there. I paid £350 per month and worked full time so wasn't hardly home. I was not allowed to bath. I wasn't allowed a daily shower. I wasn't allowed to put the heating on in winter. I was only allowed to use the washing machine once per week, a Sunday night, whilst having work clothes, gym clothes etc to wash. I wasn't allowed space in the fridge so I had to shop daily. I wasn't allowed to cook on the hob. There were many more 'rules'. That 6 months broke me. She openly said that she didn't want me using household resources as it would 'eat into' the £350 I gave her- effectively meaning she was looking to massively profit from me being there.

Eventually I was able to move and the relief was instant. My relationship with my sister unfortunately no longer exists.

I know circumstances are difficult, but get out if you can.

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