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To struggle to believe this person is being left routinely passing out and unconscious for hours?

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frequentlybaffuckled · 21/09/2026 16:29

Put it all in to not drip feed.

They do apparently often have Bradycardia. They also clearly are disabled. They have been around medical care and hospitals a lot, and clearly have both health and general anxiety. They eat poorly and self care and MH are not good.
Visibly drained, pale, thin, unwell, low energy, unable to walk without aids.
I feel bad for questioning them at all.

Their life has fallen apart and it's clear general professionals around them aren't really doing a lot partly because the person makes it hard work.

I've been doing lots to get them out of the mess, into better situations and it's been working. Practicality wise we're almost over a huge life changing line.

I'm now hitting a wall both with my own pissed off suspicions that they may feel weak, wobbly and sleep a great deal but are capable of being woken by an alarm, rather than be, literally, as they claim, suddenly collapsing without warning, (always in a bed or chair, never in a public place or in front of friends) at any time, and being literally unconscious for hours.

And, with the fact that is now being used as a reason to not to turn up to important appointments or agreed times to do things for them that they have asked for, which messes up my life.

They are outraged at me proposing they still have to take responsibility and practical answers: IE Wont lend me a shed key so a delivery can happen regardless. But insistent they may be unconscious and expect the delivery driver to return as many times as it takes, and me to come to help, for them to get their goods. (made up example close to realities)
Or I arrive with someone and materials to do a hard five hour job (free) and they aren't there because 'They where unconscious' for the first three hours, so I'll 'have to do a little and come back another day.'
They are claiming this is their disability and I need to recognize I'm discriminating against them if I don't accept it and work around this not yet diagnosed awful condition. They rarely even say sorry. 'As it isn't their fault.'

They have said their conditions are complex and have mentioned neurological, complex, bradycardia, ELS, and it's been confirmed they have over 20 diagnoses. (I question how many might be non serious type)

Would Dr's really be leaving someone living alone, collapsing all over the place and literally unconscious for hours? (they are 'difficult' and the sort of person wards seem very keen not to keep)

Or am I being an ignorant rotten ablest bitch here and need to listen to them and believe and center them?

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Catza · 21/09/2026 17:33

frequentlybaffuckled · 21/09/2026 17:25

I agree with you, I just struggle to think they wouldn't be dragging them into hospital to investigate if they actually where entirely unconscious for long periods regularly, if only to cover their backs with the coroner if the person was later found dead.

You can't "drag" someone to the hospital against their will. So unless this person lacks capacity, there is nothing anyone can do. They do have the right to make a bad decision, and a lot of bad decisions. You ask "why they are being allowed to drown by the people who ought to have been doing what I recently have been doing?" - likely for the same reason. The person has capacity to refuse all and every help from the professionals involved and prefer you to provide this help. It means that the "key workers" cannot do anything beyond what this person allows them to do.
No, it doesn't mean that you have to do it. You can also make a decision about your level of involvement.

Morecoffeewanted · 21/09/2026 17:31

BluebellBeth · 21/09/2026 17:23

Extreme-sleepiness, or a state close to being unconscious isn't actual unconsciousness though. Ops friend states they are unconscious. Are people left at home in actual states of unconsciousness for hours on end? Apologies if I sound pedantic I'm autistic so extreme sleepiness or a sate close being unconscious is not how I interpret someone being unconscious, I interpret it as literally being unconscious. Maybe others have more casual definitions of it?

I don't think that the OP is medically trained and the disabled person is trying to explain it to them.

They may not know themselves the correct term and may be saying what it feels like for them. It could be a state that feels like being paralysed or unable to move or they can't hear or respond.

I think unless the actual disabled person explains here (and we can ask them questions) then we won't know exactly what is happening

Unconcious may be the closest term for their state that they know about and that non medics they meet understand and a short hand term when they don't want to use long descriptions.

Octavia64 · 21/09/2026 17:29

BluebellBeth · 21/09/2026 17:23

Extreme-sleepiness, or a state close to being unconscious isn't actual unconsciousness though. Ops friend states they are unconscious. Are people left at home in actual states of unconsciousness for hours on end? Apologies if I sound pedantic I'm autistic so extreme sleepiness or a sate close being unconscious is not how I interpret someone being unconscious, I interpret it as literally being unconscious. Maybe others have more casual definitions of it?

Unconsciousness is measured on the Glasgow coma scale.

See here for examples and how to assess.
https://www.glasgowcomascale.org/

sleep is a level of unconsciousness but it’s not what most people mean when they say unconscious.

many things (medically) can cause unconsciousness including seizures.

The Glasgow structured approach to assessment of the Glasgow Coma Scale

The Glasgow Coma Scale was described in 1974 by Graham Teasdale and Bryan Jennett as a way to communicate about the level of consciousness of patients with an acute brain injury.

https://www.glasgowcomascale.org/

frequentlybaffuckled · 21/09/2026 17:28

@BluebellBeth I've asked for definition, originally assuming they might be using dramatic license, and they're saying totally unconscious unable to defend themselves or know if something was done to them, or be woken by alarm, phone call, or banging on the door.

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frequentlybaffuckled · 21/09/2026 17:25

BiteSizeByzantine · 21/09/2026 17:17

As if disabled people aren't routinely left to deal with some pretty awful things. Surely they'd do something! Is the cry of the naive.

I agree with you, I just struggle to think they wouldn't be dragging them into hospital to investigate if they actually where entirely unconscious for long periods regularly, if only to cover their backs with the coroner if the person was later found dead.

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BluebellBeth · 21/09/2026 17:23

Morecoffeewanted · 21/09/2026 17:14

I am not sure if I am reading this correctly. Apologies if I have it wrong.

If you are asking if a disabled person can be left at home alone with a medical condition that causes extreme sleepiness, weakness or being in a state close to being unconcious then the answer is Yes.

If you are asking if that person could be missing medical care that overlooks some pretty obvious things then the answer is Yes.

Yes, they can be home alone. I wonder where you think that they would be or what would be provided?

A friend who waited 40 years to be diagnosed with a particular disease is in mind when I answer this. I worked with her until she had to give up work.

Extreme-sleepiness, or a state close to being unconscious isn't actual unconsciousness though. Ops friend states they are unconscious. Are people left at home in actual states of unconsciousness for hours on end? Apologies if I sound pedantic I'm autistic so extreme sleepiness or a sate close being unconscious is not how I interpret someone being unconscious, I interpret it as literally being unconscious. Maybe others have more casual definitions of it?

Morecoffeeneedef · 21/09/2026 17:22

I can believe the way they describe their illness. You need to be clear how you will help , and what you need, eg house and shed keys. If they ask for something too onerous just say you don't have the time.

frequentlybaffuckled · 21/09/2026 17:22

I don't want to say who they are to me, but they matter, and no I'm not employed.

They are difficult but I've watched them falling down through life until basics like food, bath, roof are no longer givens. I didn't really question the the extremes of it the health before, it was just a thing to work round and I superficially accepted it as presented.

I've sorted a fair bit out, while wondering how can someone with key workers be where they are, and then has come this behavior around appointments that's threatening to put them right back to more misery, and the fact they are behaving the way they are has made me question is this physical health that they can do nothing about but wont make things easier, and they've been ignored, or is it actually a different situation and why they are being allowed to drown by the people who ought to have been doing what I recently have been doing?

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BiteSizeByzantine · 21/09/2026 17:17

BluebellBeth · 21/09/2026 17:00

I'd be shocked if medical professionals thought it was ok for someone to be unconscious (not asleep) for hours at a time, home alone. Is this really actually happening? If it is that's awful, but surely not surprising (as it's frankly so terrible) that people would struggle to beleive it.

not sure what you mean about ops timely post?

As if disabled people aren't routinely left to deal with some pretty awful things. Surely they'd do something! Is the cry of the naive.

Morecoffeewanted · 21/09/2026 17:14

BluebellBeth · 21/09/2026 17:00

I'd be shocked if medical professionals thought it was ok for someone to be unconscious (not asleep) for hours at a time, home alone. Is this really actually happening? If it is that's awful, but surely not surprising (as it's frankly so terrible) that people would struggle to beleive it.

not sure what you mean about ops timely post?

I am not sure if I am reading this correctly. Apologies if I have it wrong.

If you are asking if a disabled person can be left at home alone with a medical condition that causes extreme sleepiness, weakness or being in a state close to being unconcious then the answer is Yes.

If you are asking if that person could be missing medical care that overlooks some pretty obvious things then the answer is Yes.

Yes, they can be home alone. I wonder where you think that they would be or what would be provided?

A friend who waited 40 years to be diagnosed with a particular disease is in mind when I answer this. I worked with her until she had to give up work.

EveryoneUsingOutro · 21/09/2026 17:13

Justbrieme · 21/09/2026 16:46

What is your responsibility towards this person? I don’t really think you need to over analyse their condition, you need to be deciding on your own reasonable limits which has nothing to do with their condition and everything to do with your own physical, mental and emotional capacity.

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This!!

decide YOUR limits and stick to them. Thats all you can do without driving yourself into the ground or round the bend.

frequentlybaffuckled · 21/09/2026 17:12

@concertinacornflake @DappledGoldenCrow this is my concern.
I'm shocked at key workers letting them fall from bad to worse. (though I'm finding out why maybe now)

Everytime I draw a hard line, the people who should pick up consequences don't and just help that person downwards to more debt with less options and quality of life.

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Octavia64 · 21/09/2026 17:08

I’m disabled.

following my accident I spend a lot of time going to various disability support groups. As a result I know a lot of disabled people.

epilepsy cannot always be controlled by drugs. People who are epileptic are often advised not to cook or bath on their own particularly if they have uncontrolled fits, and their driving license will be taken away. Not everyone with epilepsy lives with someone, and you won’t get taken into care for having epilepsy - your care needs have to be a lot higher.

generally it’s advised to get medically checked out in a and e on a first fit or if it lasts longer than ten minutes.

then there’s people like me who have non epileptic seizures, there’s no drugs to help with those, the medics think mine are due to the accident I was in. They don’t want you in hospital for those because there’s nothing they can do.

most people who have a disability do try to work around it (eg my deliveries go behind my bins and I have a key safe for my cleaner) but ultimately some people are difficult and some disabled people are difficult.

anonymoususer9876 · 21/09/2026 17:08

Surely it’s not discrimination if this is you helping out a friend? You are entitled to boundaries that ensure you keep your own physical and mental health intact. That includes you just not wanting to do something because plans have changed and it doesn’t suit you to rearrange for whatever reason (even if the other person thinks that you’re doing nothing so why shouldn’t you help).

If you are employed by this person then it’s different as employment laws and discrimination laws would apply.

Catza · 21/09/2026 17:08

frequentlybaffuckled · 21/09/2026 17:00

@Octavia64 this was the sort of thing I was assuming in the beginning but I would have thought those relatively common things would be checked for or are we really so bad now that someone could go years without?

Things can only be checked if the person in questions attends a GP appointment with this specific issue. You wouldn't believe how many people I work with who have a list of symptoms as long as their arm but never got a chance to report half of them to the GP. So this person may have been to their doctors weekly talking, say, about their pain and never once mentioning that they pass out on a regular basis.

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 21/09/2026 17:07

You will need to emphasise your own limitations- unfortunately some people need a round of one-up-man-ship before they’ll settle. You need to be pretty brusque and make it clear there’s no room for negotiation.

So
“I will come and help with that job on Saturday. If we don’t get it finished that day, you will need to find someone else.”
”I can only come Saturday. I have medical appointments and work in the week, and Sunday I have to stick to my schedule so I am ready for the week ahead. With [disability] it’s important to have a regular routine so that I can manage my symptoms as well as I can]. No I won’t be able to come the week after.”

You can’t take on responsibility for someone who won’t take responsibility themselves.

Therescathairinmybath · 21/09/2026 17:06

Unless you have sole responsibility for this person, it sounds like you need to stop doing so much for them if they won’t be cooperative. Don’t arrange any more help or deliveries for them unless they give you a key.

BluebellBeth · 21/09/2026 17:05

Octavia64 · 21/09/2026 16:52

I have epileptic type fits which aren’t epilepsy.

while they are lasting I’m unconscious (mostly although occasionally not). Afterwards I need to rest and sleep it off.

obviously I don’t know about this person but non epileptic seizures (the medics do love a snappy name) is one of the possibilities.

in my case they are believed to have been triggered by my accident.

Thanks for explaining.

frequentlybaffuckled · 21/09/2026 17:05

BluebellBeth · 21/09/2026 17:00

I'd be shocked if medical professionals thought it was ok for someone to be unconscious (not asleep) for hours at a time, home alone. Is this really actually happening? If it is that's awful, but surely not surprising (as it's frankly so terrible) that people would struggle to beleive it.

not sure what you mean about ops timely post?

Thank you. I don't want to be a callous ablest bitch, and fear I may be being one, or being an absolute patsy, but it's all reached a point where I need to ask others.

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DappledGoldenCrow · 21/09/2026 17:03

frequentlybaffuckled · 21/09/2026 17:00

@Octavia64 this was the sort of thing I was assuming in the beginning but I would have thought those relatively common things would be checked for or are we really so bad now that someone could go years without?

I’m afraid that things are indeed quite bad now, but really that’s all the more reason why helpers like you would need a key for access, for example.

But please don’t take on more than you can manage. You can let social care know yourself that it’s not sustainable.

concertinacornflake · 21/09/2026 17:02

frequentlybaffuckled · 21/09/2026 17:00

@Octavia64 this was the sort of thing I was assuming in the beginning but I would have thought those relatively common things would be checked for or are we really so bad now that someone could go years without?

Yes things are so bad now that people who don't strongly advocate for themselves can be left unchecked and unsupported.

BluebellBeth · 21/09/2026 17:00

BiteSizeByzantine · 21/09/2026 16:49

Let's all believe ops understanding of disability shall we? And her accurate reporting. And timely disability bashing post.

I'd be shocked if medical professionals thought it was ok for someone to be unconscious (not asleep) for hours at a time, home alone. Is this really actually happening? If it is that's awful, but surely not surprising (as it's frankly so terrible) that people would struggle to beleive it.

not sure what you mean about ops timely post?

frequentlybaffuckled · 21/09/2026 17:00

@Octavia64 this was the sort of thing I was assuming in the beginning but I would have thought those relatively common things would be checked for or are we really so bad now that someone could go years without?

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frequentlybaffuckled · 21/09/2026 16:58

@Octavia64 Why I don't want to assume, but find it odd that someone who's life was so compromised wouldn't welcome ways round it...

@MyThreeWords yes to validation mattering, but it's more than that it's everyone expected to just accept the results of this in as unemotional and unquestioning way as not expecting someone in a wheelchair to do stairs.

@BiteSizeByzantine This is absolutely NOT a disability bashing post. I am disabled, and completely torn apart trying to do the right thing for someone in an even worse boat and unsure if I'm being a fool. They are clearly disabled and unwell. I just don't know if I'm being unreasonable to not be accepting just how precarious their situation is

@MagicUser1 You've got it. I'm worried I'm casually accepting 'nothing can be done' about dangerous situations, and the 'delivery' example is actually much more important things that will in the end potentially leave them with nothing, which is why I'm struggling to hold boundaries.

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ginasevern · 21/09/2026 16:57

Well they may or may not be collapsing and unconscious for hours and it is strange that it never seems to be in a public place. But either way, they must take some responsibility/initiative around their disability. They can't expect you to turn up and sort their life out without the tools to do so. That's untenable. So you must have a conversation with them, telling them just that.

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