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To struggle to believe this person is being left routinely passing out and unconscious for hours?

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frequentlybaffuckled · 21/09/2026 16:29

Put it all in to not drip feed.

They do apparently often have Bradycardia. They also clearly are disabled. They have been around medical care and hospitals a lot, and clearly have both health and general anxiety. They eat poorly and self care and MH are not good.
Visibly drained, pale, thin, unwell, low energy, unable to walk without aids.
I feel bad for questioning them at all.

Their life has fallen apart and it's clear general professionals around them aren't really doing a lot partly because the person makes it hard work.

I've been doing lots to get them out of the mess, into better situations and it's been working. Practicality wise we're almost over a huge life changing line.

I'm now hitting a wall both with my own pissed off suspicions that they may feel weak, wobbly and sleep a great deal but are capable of being woken by an alarm, rather than be, literally, as they claim, suddenly collapsing without warning, (always in a bed or chair, never in a public place or in front of friends) at any time, and being literally unconscious for hours.

And, with the fact that is now being used as a reason to not to turn up to important appointments or agreed times to do things for them that they have asked for, which messes up my life.

They are outraged at me proposing they still have to take responsibility and practical answers: IE Wont lend me a shed key so a delivery can happen regardless. But insistent they may be unconscious and expect the delivery driver to return as many times as it takes, and me to come to help, for them to get their goods. (made up example close to realities)
Or I arrive with someone and materials to do a hard five hour job (free) and they aren't there because 'They where unconscious' for the first three hours, so I'll 'have to do a little and come back another day.'
They are claiming this is their disability and I need to recognize I'm discriminating against them if I don't accept it and work around this not yet diagnosed awful condition. They rarely even say sorry. 'As it isn't their fault.'

They have said their conditions are complex and have mentioned neurological, complex, bradycardia, ELS, and it's been confirmed they have over 20 diagnoses. (I question how many might be non serious type)

Would Dr's really be leaving someone living alone, collapsing all over the place and literally unconscious for hours? (they are 'difficult' and the sort of person wards seem very keen not to keep)

Or am I being an ignorant rotten ablest bitch here and need to listen to them and believe and center them?

OP posts:
frequentlybaffuckled · 22/09/2026 09:33

ThreadGuardDog · 22/09/2026 08:05

Was my thought too. A care assessment seems appropriate, if she would co-operate.

I assume they must have had a care assessment to have a social worker and key workers, and they at one point had carers.

But as basic things have fallen away ie: someone supposed to cook food, but there was no food to cook, so carer stopped coming to do that because person hadn't or couldn't, organize or pay for food.

OT assessment happened after being in hospital - grab rails didn't happen as no home to fit them in by the time the report was finalized.

Carers (who tbf there where issues on all sides with) dropped away when the place they provided services at did. Lost Gp when no catchment address any more. etc.

I may be unreasonable but it has seemed like the the person is just overseen failing and falling in a predictable downward spiral. But, I don't know the story from the workers end, and have struggled with the 'I passed out and was unconscious' so "of course" 'offers' or 'one chance only appointments' should just be remade and everybody should accept the reasons, and apparently that it may be the same next time.

Shocked disbelief that those circumstances don't make it happen and anger when I've tried to make paths round it. So maybe that's why workers appear to have passively accepted things getting worse under their watch.

OP posts:
Catza · 22/09/2026 08:23

ThreadGuardDog · 22/09/2026 08:10

OP has there been a care assessment at all ? You could actually ask for this yourself if you suspect she’s at risk. The problem with adaptations to help her from day to day is that only the basics are free. If she requires anything more than grab rails and other simple aids etc, then that’s usually via a disabled facilities grant, which is means tested.

They wouldn't have got a social worker without a care act assessment, I imagine.
I feel the issue here is that the person is rejecting support. This may be not letting community OT enter premises to assess for assistive equipment or, as OP alluded to, not turning up for appointments to discuss housing (they may well have been offered to be rehoused somewhere more suitable).
I know cases like that all too well and, with the best will in the world, social and health services can't help because the person is refusing to engage with anything offered. I am working with someone in a desperate situation currently and they refused care act assesment altogether because they they don't want strangers in the house despite not managing basic tasks at all due to complex health needs. I can't force them so my only option is to alert their GP and step away. I can't even complete a safeguarding referral because there is insufficient immediate risk and I don't have their consent to refer.

chirrupybird · 22/09/2026 08:21

It is suspicious if these frequent losses of consciousness never happen in public or when with other people and also odd they have no diagnosis for this. Whatever other health problems they have presumably this one could be deadly depending on the cause, one time they may not regain consciousness.

I assume this is a close relative or I would be reducing considerably the amount of help I was willing to give it does sound like you are being used as a dogsbody.

ThreadGuardDog · 22/09/2026 08:20

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 21/09/2026 22:09

I can see why you find it incredibly difficult to know!

Because it does seem shocking, if true, that someone would be left by medical professionals to be falling unconscious all over the place. But pps with experience are saying it does happen, and I have no reason to disbelieve them.

But I agree with some others that the bit that she’s being unreasonable about is not accepting work around. Not letting you have a shed key to accept deliveries. Or if you’re as trusted by her and you’d need to be to be asked such big favours as they sound, a house key so that you can get in, take deliveries, do whatever work you were going to do, and maybe check on her!

If she means - I just need to sleep things off at unpredictable times, it would be better to say that than “unconscious”

The biggest problem is that if she’s deemed to have mental capacity, she can’t be forced to do anything against her will. If she’s in denial about the help she needs it’s very difficult to arrange any sort of meaningful care or support. My MiL was similar when her mobility was severely reduced. She refused to believe she needed care and expected family to rally round whenever she fell - which was frequently. These things usually end the same way - with a fall or accident requiring hospitalisation and the acceptance that they need support

ThreadGuardDog · 22/09/2026 08:10

frequentlybaffuckled · 22/09/2026 08:04

They have had a social worker and some key workers for a long time, apparently mainly overseeing their life falling apart.
But, I don't understand what work they actually do. There don't seem to be any goals or action, but maybe the person isn't making it possible and they have big caseloads of people who do.
I don't know. Maybe the limited time I can give is more than what the workers are allocated.
I do know using standard systems has made big strides forward to fixing some of the practical problems.

I do understand the person not wanting others to have anything like a house key because it's such a loss of independence, privacy, and security.
But the (equivalent of) not allowing a temporary 'shed' key (where they don't live or have possessions) so what they want and urgently need, can still happen in their absence if they don't turn up, has been very hard to make sense of.

There's some explanations up thread that I couldn't have pieced together alone.

I think they're right. If the person being 'passed out and remaining unconscious for hours' doesn't interfere with and prevent major moves forward happening for them, then it's being seen as nobody is believing or taking notice of this.

So either that is more important to them than getting the major practicle stuff they asked for (that will stop them falling further) sorted out.
OR
they are using rejecting things no one in their position normally would, to force attention to what's happening to them medically.

I started the thread frustrated and scared and asking the wrong question.

OP has there been a care assessment at all ? You could actually ask for this yourself if you suspect she’s at risk. The problem with adaptations to help her from day to day is that only the basics are free. If she requires anything more than grab rails and other simple aids etc, then that’s usually via a disabled facilities grant, which is means tested.

ThreadGuardDog · 22/09/2026 08:05

disturbia · 22/09/2026 07:30

Are they with Adult Social Care in your Local Authority? Sounds like they need a social worker

Was my thought too. A care assessment seems appropriate, if she would co-operate.

frequentlybaffuckled · 22/09/2026 08:04

They have had a social worker and some key workers for a long time, apparently mainly overseeing their life falling apart.
But, I don't understand what work they actually do. There don't seem to be any goals or action, but maybe the person isn't making it possible and they have big caseloads of people who do.
I don't know. Maybe the limited time I can give is more than what the workers are allocated.
I do know using standard systems has made big strides forward to fixing some of the practical problems.

I do understand the person not wanting others to have anything like a house key because it's such a loss of independence, privacy, and security.
But the (equivalent of) not allowing a temporary 'shed' key (where they don't live or have possessions) so what they want and urgently need, can still happen in their absence if they don't turn up, has been very hard to make sense of.

There's some explanations up thread that I couldn't have pieced together alone.

I think they're right. If the person being 'passed out and remaining unconscious for hours' doesn't interfere with and prevent major moves forward happening for them, then it's being seen as nobody is believing or taking notice of this.

So either that is more important to them than getting the major practicle stuff they asked for (that will stop them falling further) sorted out.
OR
they are using rejecting things no one in their position normally would, to force attention to what's happening to them medically.

I started the thread frustrated and scared and asking the wrong question.

OP posts:
ThreadGuardDog · 22/09/2026 08:02

Weeellokthen · 21/09/2026 20:03

Very difficult to "diagnose and treat", a bit like fibromyalgia then?🤔

I suggest you look it up. Nothing like fibromyalgia, no. My friend has been diagnosed with it recently after having horrible symptoms for the last few months ending with a seizure, after which she was referred to a neurologist. MRI and CT confirmed the diagnosis, she’s lost her driving licence and her job as a result.

disturbia · 22/09/2026 07:30

frequentlybaffuckled · 21/09/2026 16:29

Put it all in to not drip feed.

They do apparently often have Bradycardia. They also clearly are disabled. They have been around medical care and hospitals a lot, and clearly have both health and general anxiety. They eat poorly and self care and MH are not good.
Visibly drained, pale, thin, unwell, low energy, unable to walk without aids.
I feel bad for questioning them at all.

Their life has fallen apart and it's clear general professionals around them aren't really doing a lot partly because the person makes it hard work.

I've been doing lots to get them out of the mess, into better situations and it's been working. Practicality wise we're almost over a huge life changing line.

I'm now hitting a wall both with my own pissed off suspicions that they may feel weak, wobbly and sleep a great deal but are capable of being woken by an alarm, rather than be, literally, as they claim, suddenly collapsing without warning, (always in a bed or chair, never in a public place or in front of friends) at any time, and being literally unconscious for hours.

And, with the fact that is now being used as a reason to not to turn up to important appointments or agreed times to do things for them that they have asked for, which messes up my life.

They are outraged at me proposing they still have to take responsibility and practical answers: IE Wont lend me a shed key so a delivery can happen regardless. But insistent they may be unconscious and expect the delivery driver to return as many times as it takes, and me to come to help, for them to get their goods. (made up example close to realities)
Or I arrive with someone and materials to do a hard five hour job (free) and they aren't there because 'They where unconscious' for the first three hours, so I'll 'have to do a little and come back another day.'
They are claiming this is their disability and I need to recognize I'm discriminating against them if I don't accept it and work around this not yet diagnosed awful condition. They rarely even say sorry. 'As it isn't their fault.'

They have said their conditions are complex and have mentioned neurological, complex, bradycardia, ELS, and it's been confirmed they have over 20 diagnoses. (I question how many might be non serious type)

Would Dr's really be leaving someone living alone, collapsing all over the place and literally unconscious for hours? (they are 'difficult' and the sort of person wards seem very keen not to keep)

Or am I being an ignorant rotten ablest bitch here and need to listen to them and believe and center them?

Are they with Adult Social Care in your Local Authority? Sounds like they need a social worker

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 21/09/2026 22:09

I can see why you find it incredibly difficult to know!

Because it does seem shocking, if true, that someone would be left by medical professionals to be falling unconscious all over the place. But pps with experience are saying it does happen, and I have no reason to disbelieve them.

But I agree with some others that the bit that she’s being unreasonable about is not accepting work around. Not letting you have a shed key to accept deliveries. Or if you’re as trusted by her and you’d need to be to be asked such big favours as they sound, a house key so that you can get in, take deliveries, do whatever work you were going to do, and maybe check on her!

If she means - I just need to sleep things off at unpredictable times, it would be better to say that than “unconscious”

frequentlybaffuckled · 21/09/2026 21:59

@Mouldemort I don't mean to be rude but I have said a couple of times that I wont be saying.
It is someone I care about and have an obligation to and there's few others in their life at any level.

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Mouldemort · 21/09/2026 21:52

What is your relationship to this person?

frequentlybaffuckled · 21/09/2026 21:20

Trying to respond.
In a not nasty way everything was been left to the professionals, because the message was it was all way more than anyone but them could help with, and the person was entitled to lots of things that we couldn't give them.

I'd like to say nothings changed.
But now there's a situation where for whatever reasons what professional help they have been getting, has overseen them falling to a a very low existence and deep debts and bigger issues practically as well as everything else.

Instead of lots of things they where 'entitled' to be given they just oversaw them loosing what they had.

I found it difficult to understand why most of the things that would normally happen, didn't seem to be and started using the standard systems and things started to work and get much closer to some sort of potential future where at least their basic survival could be covered.
Only at the last hurdle I've hit these issues.

@BishyBarnyBee Sounds like I should have gone to the Cockroach Cafe thread in the first place!

@DiscoElysia Thank you for another helpful detailed post about stuff which is ringing bells.

@Bowies
I'm not casting " doubt on their whole situation in order to choose/justify how much time and effort you invest" that's very unfair.
I'm already giving them everything I can, (and a few things I couldn't afford) and pushing to get them out of the situation they're in. It just isn't enough, because I can't spread it out and stop and start.

I can take time out and go do things, but I cant magic up more time to finish jobs when they halve what I've put aside, or get others to repeat offers for them when they haven't turned up to take them.

I'm questioning if the specific part of what they've fed me as the reason, is a physical possibility, because I can't work out if they need their door putting in and an ambulance calling, or may have a MH issue causing them to self sabotage, or just see me as an idiot to use as they fall through the bottom of life and beyond and they're right, the professionals will just watch.

@Octavia64 Sorry you went through that, and the other posters who've put me right that it's more complicated than 'would Dr's allow this to be happening.'

@Merryoldgoat I suspect even those failing them are also enabling them in a different way. Leaving them to get on with it hasn't worked, refusing to tolerate it hasn't worked.

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PunnyPlumPanda · 21/09/2026 20:26

Someone being UNCONSCIOUS for hours would require medical attention.

someone post icital, is different, but someone actually unconscious for hours needs checking every time.

PunnyPlumPanda · 21/09/2026 20:25

Octavia64 · 21/09/2026 17:08

I’m disabled.

following my accident I spend a lot of time going to various disability support groups. As a result I know a lot of disabled people.

epilepsy cannot always be controlled by drugs. People who are epileptic are often advised not to cook or bath on their own particularly if they have uncontrolled fits, and their driving license will be taken away. Not everyone with epilepsy lives with someone, and you won’t get taken into care for having epilepsy - your care needs have to be a lot higher.

generally it’s advised to get medically checked out in a and e on a first fit or if it lasts longer than ten minutes.

then there’s people like me who have non epileptic seizures, there’s no drugs to help with those, the medics think mine are due to the accident I was in. They don’t want you in hospital for those because there’s nothing they can do.

most people who have a disability do try to work around it (eg my deliveries go behind my bins and I have a key safe for my cleaner) but ultimately some people are difficult and some disabled people are difficult.

i would like to point out if someone is having an EPILEPTIC fit that goes on for more than 5 mins this is a medical emergency and you can go into status epilipticus,

if they are not epileptic then the 5 min rule remains but isn’t as dangerous to begin with

please never ever ever ever let someone fit for more than 5 mins if epileptic

Merryoldgoat · 21/09/2026 20:21

frequentlybaffuckled · 21/09/2026 19:20

And that's what pissed me off to the point of asking the question.
I have my own disability, and expect to meet people half way as best I can, not expect others to be responsible for making it not have effects on me, but I'm not them, and struggling to decide if that's reasonable in their case.

And I kept coming back to would Dr's let this situation be normalized.

What exactly can a doctor do? If the person has capacity and agency then it’s broadly irrelevant what a doctor thinks or recommends.

My grandmother was offered a variety of interventions/treatments/support but refused it all, preferring to be dependent on her daughter.

People with cancer refuse life saving treatment. It’s entirely possible there are treatments they have refused. You’re clearly enabling them in some way and perhaps that’s inevitable - impossible to know without understanding the relationship - but if you aren’t willing to stand firm and refuse to put up with the bollocks then nothing will change.

LittleSpongyHelmet · 21/09/2026 20:11

BiteSizeByzantine · 21/09/2026 16:49

Let's all believe ops understanding of disability shall we? And her accurate reporting. And timely disability bashing post.

You can be disabled and also not be a great person. Not all disabled people tell the truth about everything.
(I am also a disabled person)

Octavia64 · 21/09/2026 20:03

Hi op.

it sounds like there are a few things going on with this person.

it’s not uncommon for people with disabilities (particularly those acquired through illness or injury) to develop anxiety and depression.

I was referred for counselling after my accident and the referral was rejected on the grounds that anyone who wasn’t able to walk following an accident would be anxious and that my anxiety was based in reality and therefore their programme couldn’t help me.

i have made official complaints at a couple of healthcare providers who didn’t make reasonable adjustments when I asked them to and I have had official apologies.

for example I am frequently non verbal in busy environments and in stressful phone calls but my gp surgery had been ringing me and telling me stuff and then putting down that I had consented to stuff when actually I couldn‘t talk. That sort of stuff.

now I’m an intelligent and (generally) articulate person and I put in complaints in those situations because I know the law and I don’t like being treated like shit off a shoe, but it’s easy to imagine how if you are not so experienced and don’t know the law then healthcare just becomes a scary experience where people don’t listen to you and do stuff to you that hurts and you don’t understand.

from the healthcare providers point of view, they just see a non compliant person. It’s incredibly rare that they’ll stop and think about barriers to healthcare and the welfare of the person, you’ll just get pushed down whatever pathway they can think of whether it’s appropriate or not.

as the gp said when I finally saw him “oh my gosh you’re a lot iller than your file suggests!”

no shit. Was it the wheelchair or the non verbal and communicating by typing on a laptop that gave you that impression?

Weeellokthen · 21/09/2026 20:03

ThreadGuardDog · 21/09/2026 19:00

There is something called Functional Neurological Disorder FND - non-epileptic seizures which look like epilepsy but are not caused by abnormal electrical brain surges. Instead, they represent a temporary issue in how the nervous system transmits signals, often resulting in unresponsive spells or blackouts. Not psychological but organic and physical. Very difficult to diagnose and to treat.

Very difficult to "diagnose and treat", a bit like fibromyalgia then?🤔

Cracinbik · 21/09/2026 20:02

Is it dissociative seizures they’re having? Some people can dissociate quite frequently? Do they have a trauma history ?

frequentlybaffuckled · 21/09/2026 19:55

@jacks11 You are describing a heap of things that I think are very accurate. Paragraph 2 you have hit the nail on the head with what I feel is going on with them emotionally regardless of what is or isn't medically. Thank you for taking the time to write it out. It's a painfully accurate summary in places and I will be rereading it (probably a few times)

Part of why I asked the question is because I'm thinking I need to look at it from a MH POV not trying to solve the practical issues that are apparently in their way..

Sorry I'm not ignoring people, threads just moving too fast.

Yes I agree there's a level of enmeshing that I'm trying to change.

Yes the person is known to welfare services, has had professionals around them, who seem entirely absent at critical points (I've sent messages and had no response either) and it has been hard for me to watch them doing very little even if now I can see part of the reasons.
But there are some things that are quite standard, to stop situations deteriorating, none of them seem to have been done, the person doesn't know about or understand them, and it seems odd that key workers haven't suggested them, and I've had no hints towards answers asking if there are reasons why not.
Its clear they've on occasion gone for easy answers that will cause more debt which the person didn't understand would be the result and I can't see how it could be seen to be in the person's interest.

Right now things are at a point where just a little bit of practical support from professionals could leave them with so much less work going forward, but they don't seem interested

Or just a little personal responsibility from the person could bring an awful lot home for them.

I'm going to try and find a different way of dealing with it all

OP posts:
Ponoka7 · 21/09/2026 19:54

I had post viral chronic fatigue, I was literally left to rot. I had consultants, but they wasn't interested. I couldn't get to appointments. I was trying to care for my disabled child at the time. A lot of benefits went unclaimed and if it wasn't for family, I don't think I would have survived.
I know someone who has seizures. They do go the equivalent of unconscious. They were given a phone number to try to get an appointment, after the third one. Nothing is being particularly done. This was after a head injury.
I used to do home care. If it wasn't for neighbours or family, a lot of people would life miserable lives, having a level of 'care' that just about keeps them alive.
It's tough when people aren't at a level were they'll allow others to take over, so their life is sorted out, but you want the best for them and could fix things. You've got to decide what you are willing to do and keep reminding yourself that they have autonomy.

Bowies · 21/09/2026 19:47

I know someone who falls into unconscious, they are still under investigation but in between are able to work.

It seems like this person is very unwell. No reason not to believe them. You don’t have to cast doubt on their whole situation in order for you to choose/justify how much time and effort you invest.

Regarding your involvement, you may need to pull back a bit anyway. It seems like you are pushing beyond their comfort zone/tolerance level and then becoming frustrated.

I can understand both perspectives, but you can only choose your own actions and responses, and can’t change anyone else.

You need to set your own boundaries, especially as you are disabled yourself.

DiscoElysia · 21/09/2026 19:47

Some observations:

  • just because a person is seriously unwell does not mean that they will accept support on other people's terms. Anyone who has ever been sick and has ended up turning down offers of help that seem inappropriate or inconvenient will relate to this. Sometimes people have boundaries that they will protect at almost any cost, and that could be down to their values, or to experiences of past trauma, or to all sorts of things.
  • if a person has the mental capacity to make decisions about their care and support, no one can force care and support on them. The same goes for living arrangements and everything else. It is always presumed that a person has mental capacity. The bar for proving they do not is high, and is in any case issue and time-specific. However, what this also implies is that most of us are expected to make our own decisions and deal with the consequences of those decisions. If you are running around after someone to the extent that you protect them from any possible negative consequences of their decisions, they are not likely to start making different decisions.
  • as a society, we do not generally accept 'I was too anxious' or 'I was too knackered' or 'I was too depressed' or 'I forgot' as reasons for not turning up to things. These explanations do not tend to attract much compassion, even when compassion is needed. We do however tend to accept 'I was unconscious for a medical reason completely out of my control.' I'm not saying that the person in question is making it up - they could perhaps be entirely honest (and it would maybe make sense for them to pass out at home only if, for example, they are tense and on high alert and full of adrenaline whenever out). But if they are not always being entirely honest, it is easy to see why giving the explanation they are giving will be easier for them and why they might be heavily invested in emphasising their helplessness.
  • people can have a very complex relationship with their illnesses. Messages about self-care or accepting practical solutions can lead people to feel blamed and invalidated. Believing entirely that something is beyond your control is easier. This does NOT mean that I think people are to blame for their illnesses or want to be ill. It is just to point out that it is complicated. Illness can become a way of life and a whole identity and anything that seems to threaten that narrative can be very distressing and difficult to consider.
iloveeverykindofcat · 21/09/2026 19:46

Why does it matter? If you want to support them, do what you can, being clear on your limitations and what you can and can't provide. I wouldn't be telling them they need to take responsibility/provide practical answers etc - that's up to them. If their lack of practical solutions makes you unable to give the support they want, say that. Maybe they're a manipulative liar, maybe they're extremely disabled and receiving inadequate care, maybe both. They're not mutually exclusive. Unless you're legally responsible for them, why get worked up about it?