To be disappointed Dolly Parton supported biological men using women's toilets?

I loved Dolly Parton but on this issue she was just plain wrong. She had a huge LGBT following and she was not stupid, she was a shrewd businesswomen so of course she’s going to indulge that.

As an uber wealthy, cosseted individual, she would have had the luxury of never having to face the sort of circumstances that make women vulnerable when men can freely access women’s spaces.

But hey ho, she’s dead now so let’s just remember her brilliant music rather than her misguided misogynistic views.

Is there no subject on earth which is exempt from being reduced to another tedious and myopic discussion about biological men using female toilets?

Hah! She is very smart, saying something that could be interpreted as whatever the person's views are, with just enough wiggle room to stay vague.

Very smart. I genuinely don't think that Dolly Parton would have supported Eddie Izzard in using the female toilets and changing rooms. I also strongly doubt she would have supported children having cosmetic procedures or their parents being told that if they don't, they will die by suicide. I also don't think she would have supported lesbians being told that if they don't have sex with a male, they are bigots.

Dolly was compassionate and open-minded, but her brain was firmly bolted to the inside of her skull with an eye on her bank account at all times.

How do “old school transsexuals” differ from modern transwomen?

Including those who sent death threats to rape shelters?
Or just those that believe sex and identity are important in different ways

Lol the idea of suggesting Dolly Parton is ignorant of the perils of poverty is, as the kids' say, wild.

https://x.com/DollyParton/status/18362065644?s=20

Dolly Parton was a decent human being. I encourage everyone to gave a close, critical look at their own stance towards fellow human beings, and see if they measure up.

Perhaps like a lot of women she didn't give the consequences for women as much thought as it warrants and took her characteristic approach to defending who she (rightly or wrongly) percieved as the underdog.
Perhaps she believed TWAW.
Regardless, she was a fantastic woman who lived an admirable life, doing far more good than most. Given that, I think its mean spirited to focus on the one thing you can criticise her for when there's so much that deserves respect.

Oh FFS. I'm gender critical but this is absurd.

exactly this.

yep

many people just don’t think enough about or know enough about gender ideology to fully understand how it impacts children and women. You can tell just by listening to conversations online from women who think they’re just being kind by pretending to think men are women.
Once you see it, you can’t unsee it and you only reach that point from going beneath the surface and digging into the cult of gender and how it’s been used as a vehicle for fetishisation and male rights movements.
The worst part obviously is the impact on children and the irreversible harms caused, often aided and abetted by parents who believe they’re just “being kind.”
I love Dolly and I’m sure she knew the difference between a woman and a trans woman.

You don't need to be rich to not be obsessed with public toilets.

Hmm… using the death of a beloved person to further stigmatise and victimise a tiny minority is disgusting.

You phrased the subject of your thread in a way that includes all biological males, yet the issue you are alluding to is transwomen, less than 0.1% of society.

Hating minorities is not a good way to conduct yourself.

Or maybe she was not anti-trans and it was nothing to do with her being rich. One of Dolly's closest friends was trans, she knew trans people and was happy to have them in her life. You can't dismiss every view you disagree with as ignorance - it makes you sound blinkered and ignorant.

I’m very very GC - in fact I’d go as far as to say yes, I’m anti-trans - and I don’t agree with her but it’s hardly unusual for a rich woman who is never going to be affected by men in women’s spaces to be keen to be seen as “inclusive”.

Ffs she’s dead! People can have different opinions to you op. It’s ok.

Dolly supported trans people. You disagree with her. OK, but why is this relevant here and now? There is a whole Mumsnet board for slagging off trans people, head over there and you will find like minded folk to indulge your personal prejudice.

I love Dolly too but I don’t agree with her on this one. It’s ok, I’m not about to become the ‘cancel culture’! It’s ok to have a difference of opinion.

I love Dolly all the more for finding out that she took this position. x
What an awesome woman.

Yes, you’re being unreasonable Jane.

Nobody is above criticism, obviously.

But this rather begs the question: why on earth are you expending this much energy picking apart celebrities who were, by all accounts, decent, generous people who gave considerably more to the world than they ever took from it - seemingly just to rummage around for something, anything, to criticise?

What exactly is the objective here? Why is this considered a worthwhile use of your time when there are plenty of genuinely vile, damaging people in the world who actually do need to be held accountable? Wouldn’t directing your outrage towards people who have caused real harm be, you know, somewhat more productive?

I genuinely don't understand the obsession with finding fault in people as though uncovering some minor imperfection is a great “AHA! GOTCHA!” moment. Congratulations, I suppose: you have discovered that human beings are not perfect.

None of us are -including you, OP. I’m quite sure that if someone decided to go digging through your private life with the same level of forensic enthusiasm, they could find things to criticise too and parade your shortcomings around like some kind of negative Mardi Gras.

The fact that someone was fundamentally a good person doesn't require us to pretend they were flawless. It simply means that, on the grand scale of things, perhaps their flaws aren't the most pressing moral emergency of our time.

She either didn’t want to be cancelled or didn’t understand why as a lot of rich and privileged people don’t see why single sex spaces need to exist. They have never been in a position to use them. Like refuges and prisons

Her driver, she actually funded the surgery, worked together for decades.