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To be disappointed Dolly Parton supported biological men using women's toilets?

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Jane3212 · 21/09/2026 00:44

I really liked her music and she seemed like a nice person: her Imagination Library came to my borough recently. I was very sad to hear she'd died.
But was very disappointed to read this. The statements she made about trans people deserving respect, no issue with those.
But minimising the reasonable concerns women have about being forced to let men in their toilets was wrong.
I'm not saying she should have spoken out for GC issues. It might have been best just not to comment.
Parton had connections with drag queens and I wonder if that's the lens she saw transwomen through : not an excuse but might partially explain.

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2021x · 21/09/2026 09:49

AStonedRose · 21/09/2026 09:47

Please leave me alone. Thanks. I've said I won't be your punchbag.

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This is why I am asking.

You have labelled me as aggressive i.e. a puncher

I am asking why?

Differentforgirls · 21/09/2026 09:49

AStonedRose · 21/09/2026 09:47

Please leave me alone. Thanks. I've said I won't be your punchbag.

Edited

Just ignore.

Differentforgirls · 21/09/2026 09:49

MrsColinRobinson · 21/09/2026 09:37

As an observer I'd regard your answers to be the only showing aggression.

It's coming across that you've raised points you're unable to back with any substance and are now shouting about hate. Much like a TRA method.

And here we go…

AStonedRose · 21/09/2026 09:47

2021x · 21/09/2026 09:46

If that is start what is the rest?

Please leave me alone. Thanks. I've said I won't be your punchbag.

2021x · 21/09/2026 09:46

AStonedRose · 21/09/2026 09:45

Well, ascribing me with a view that I haven't actually expressed, and one which I know you very strongly disagree with, and then asking me the same question over and over, just for a start.

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If that is start what is the rest?

DisappearingGirl · 21/09/2026 09:46

I think you have to consider the time and place in which Dolly grew up and spent most of her adult life. She came from conservative small-town America where it was not acceptable to be gay or non-conforming, let alone trans. She was a queer icon and any trans people she knew were likely old-school transsexuals or the uber-camp uber-gay-man type of trans.

Similar for Taylor Swift making her You Need to Calm Down video with a lot of gender non-conforming people - she also started off in a very conservative community, and a lot of America is still very polarised and would not accept someone being gay, trans or otherwise non-conforming. I don't know what her view is on males in women's spaces, but I can see why she wanted to support the LGBT community in general.

I actually have a similar (but different) situation where I know a group of people (in the UK) who are very into trans rights - they're all in a particular music scene that attracts a lot of geeky, non-conforming people, some possibly autistic - the trans and non-binary people in that group are the type who wouldn't hurt a fly and would genuinely be at risk of harrassment from meat-head types.

So while I don't personally agree with males in women's spaces, I can see why some people have a different view based on their differing experiences and I don't hate them for it.

AStonedRose · 21/09/2026 09:45

2021x · 21/09/2026 09:43

So why do you feel attacked when I asked that question?

Well, ascribing me with a view that I haven't actually expressed, and one which I know you very strongly disagree with, and then asking me the same question over and over, just for a start.

mindutopia · 21/09/2026 09:45

I’m not disappointed at all. 🤷🏻‍♀️

WouldYouLikeAnyToast · 21/09/2026 09:45

YABU.
I agree with the poster upthread saying about "cognitive dissonance right here."
(In response to Dolly promoted love and inclusion, but in this instance I think she's wrong.)
As for those trying to start a debate on "but what is a woman?!" there's a whole board where they LOVE stuff like that and can "debate" themselves into circles all day, every day. Posters on here are best off ignored who are trying to do the same on this thread.

2021x · 21/09/2026 09:43

AStonedRose · 21/09/2026 09:42

I don't think they should tolerate that, no.

Where have I said otherwise?

See, you're imputing me with views that I haven't expressed, and don't hold.

You're not looking for a debate. Again, you're looking for a punchbag.

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So why do you feel attacked when I asked that question?

AStonedRose · 21/09/2026 09:42

2021x · 21/09/2026 09:39

Can you answer the question,

Why should women tolerate men in their spaces who can't respect the reason those spaces exist in the first places?

I don't think they should tolerate that, no.

Where have I said otherwise?

See, you're imputing me with views that I haven't expressed, and don't hold.

You're not looking for a debate. Again, you're looking for a punchbag.

saraclara · 21/09/2026 09:42

It seems that she was one of those rare people that did infact love and care for everybody.
Why some people have difficulty with that is beyond me.

That. I'm not disappointed in her at all. She was an exceptionally loving, respectful and non-judgmental person, and we should all aspire to be more like her.

Maybe you could work on the non-judgmental bit, @Jane3212

AnnHedonia · 21/09/2026 09:41

dustabsorber · 21/09/2026 00:48

Why ate you besmirching her memory?

This.

2021x · 21/09/2026 09:39

AStonedRose · 21/09/2026 09:36

But I haven't said that?

Can you answer the question,

Why should women tolerate men in their spaces who can't respect the reason those spaces exist in the first places?

MrsColinRobinson · 21/09/2026 09:37

AStonedRose · 21/09/2026 09:33

No, no appetite to be aggressively attacked by multiple individuals motivated by hatred.

The irony is that, as I've already expressed, I would actually agree with you on lots. A woman is a biological female. Men shouldn't be in women's sport, or women's prisons.

But because I haven't expressed the most extreme anti-trans position possible, I'm now being targeted.

It's how it goes here. You are extremists.

Edited

As an observer I'd regard your answers to be the only showing aggression.

It's coming across that you've raised points you're unable to back with any substance and are now shouting about hate. Much like a TRA method.

AStonedRose · 21/09/2026 09:36

2021x · 21/09/2026 09:35

Disagreeing isn't hate.

If you want to use the female toilets as a male, can you explain to me why I shouldn't think that you are going to cause me harm when you are ignoring a boundary that is there for my safety?

But I haven't said that?

riod · 21/09/2026 09:35

2021x · 21/09/2026 09:31

I am not punching you,

I cannot go to the gym in the country I am in because a man was in the women's changing room. When I asked about it, they said they would be accused of discrimination if they didn't let men who say they are women in.

So now I can't use the gym changing room in case he is there, and I can't ask him to leave.

This is the reality about shrugging and saying it doesn't affect me, so it's not a problem.

So if you are telling me that letting a man in the female toilets "is complicated" can you explain to me why?

they don’t have an argument. Their response is just “you’re hateful”
If they had a logical response to any of it, we’d have heard it by now.

2021x · 21/09/2026 09:35

AStonedRose · 21/09/2026 09:33

No, no appetite to be aggressively attacked by multiple individuals motivated by hatred.

The irony is that, as I've already expressed, I would actually agree with you on lots. A woman is a biological female. Men shouldn't be in women's sport, or women's prisons.

But because I haven't expressed the most extreme anti-trans position possible, I'm now being targeted.

It's how it goes here. You are extremists.

Edited

Disagreeing isn't hate.

If you want to use the female toilets as a male, can you explain to me why I shouldn't think that you are going to cause me harm when you are ignoring a boundary that is there for my safety?

2021x · 21/09/2026 09:34

Thisisnottheone · 21/09/2026 09:32

Imagine hating Dolly Parton.

What IS this world coming to?

No one on here hates Dolly Parton.

It is possible to disagree with someone about something and it not be hate.

AStonedRose · 21/09/2026 09:33

2021x · 21/09/2026 09:31

I am not punching you,

I cannot go to the gym in the country I am in because a man was in the women's changing room. When I asked about it, they said they would be accused of discrimination if they didn't let men who say they are women in.

So now I can't use the gym changing room in case he is there, and I can't ask him to leave.

This is the reality about shrugging and saying it doesn't affect me, so it's not a problem.

So if you are telling me that letting a man in the female toilets "is complicated" can you explain to me why?

No, no appetite to be aggressively attacked by multiple individuals motivated by hatred.

The irony is that, as I've already expressed, I would actually agree with you on lots. A woman is a biological female. Men shouldn't be in women's sport, or women's prisons.

But because I haven't expressed the most extreme anti-trans position possible, I'm now being targeted.

It's how it goes here. You are extremists.

Thisisnottheone · 21/09/2026 09:32

Imagine hating Dolly Parton.

What IS this world coming to?

AStonedRose · 21/09/2026 09:31

riod · 21/09/2026 09:31

lazy predictable rhetoric as ever.

i'm right though, aren't I?

2021x · 21/09/2026 09:31

AStonedRose · 21/09/2026 09:27

No appetite for a pile on. I'm not your punchbag.

I am not punching you,

I cannot go to the gym in the country I am in because a man was in the women's changing room. When I asked about it, they said they would be accused of discrimination if they didn't let men who say they are women in.

So now I can't use the gym changing room in case he is there, and I can't ask him to leave.

This is the reality about shrugging and saying it doesn't affect me, so it's not a problem.

So if you are telling me that letting a man in the female toilets "is complicated" can you explain to me why?

riod · 21/09/2026 09:31

AStonedRose · 21/09/2026 09:29

No, it translates to you're motivated by hate and not worth my time.

lazy predictable rhetoric as ever.

Thepeopleversuswork · 21/09/2026 09:30

Screamingabdabz · 21/09/2026 08:47

Women’s protections, rights, privacy and dignity - you don’t think they’re worthy of discussion?

I absolutely do and I'm extremely gender critical. But this hobby horse is shoehorned into literally every conversation about more or less everything under the sun.

What does the King think about biological men entering women's toilets?
What is the impact of the closure of the Strait of Hormuz into biological men entering women's toilets?
What impact does AI have on biological men entering women's toilets?

It's a classic example of a fairly marginal issue being maniacally over-applied to every subject under the sun. I'll say it and no doubt will get torn a new one but there are bigger issues in feminism, in women's rights, and in the world and I'm tired of having to rehash this tired old canard again and again and again.

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