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To be disappointed Dolly Parton supported biological men using women's toilets?

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Jane3212 · 21/09/2026 00:44

I really liked her music and she seemed like a nice person: her Imagination Library came to my borough recently. I was very sad to hear she'd died.
But was very disappointed to read this. The statements she made about trans people deserving respect, no issue with those.
But minimising the reasonable concerns women have about being forced to let men in their toilets was wrong.
I'm not saying she should have spoken out for GC issues. It might have been best just not to comment.
Parton had connections with drag queens and I wonder if that's the lens she saw transwomen through : not an excuse but might partially explain.

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Stingycow · 21/09/2026 10:24

Jane3212 · 21/09/2026 01:16

'in your eyes, she’s a disappointment because of something youve decided she didn’t speak up enough about??'

  • Please read my post accurately. I said : 'I'm not saying she should have spoken out for GC issues. It might have been best just not to comment.'

My issue was NOT that she didn't speak up about GC issues. My issue is that she supported biological men using women's toilets.

Is this really surprising for you? Despite what GCers like to claim, being "GC"/transphobic is a right wing, conservative position. Dolly Parton was pretty clearly not that.
How on earth are you shocked that her values were consistent?

MajorProcrastination · 21/09/2026 10:24

I am not surprised that an LGBTQ+ ally was supportive of trans rights no. She was more intelligent than to conflate drag artists with trans people.

Thisisnottheone · 21/09/2026 10:23

2021x · 21/09/2026 09:34

No one on here hates Dolly Parton.

It is possible to disagree with someone about something and it not be hate.

The poor woman is barely in the ground and is being dragged on a public forum about the Trans debate.

If it was my mum or my relative who’s just died and the ‘whataboutthis’ crew were after her I’d burn it to the ground.

Have some respect.

TorroFerney · 21/09/2026 10:20

Well you get a lot of stick don’t you if you aren’t pro Palestine/anti Israel or pro trans and you are in the media so it’s hard to know what people do believe on those subjects.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 21/09/2026 10:19

TBH my only real objection to males using female loos is that they’re apt to pee on the seats and not clean it up.

Quite a few loos in e.g. theatres/museums seem to be unisex now, and I can’t say it bothers me.

EnterQueene · 21/09/2026 10:15

WouldYouLikeAnyToast · 21/09/2026 10:05

Nah. It'll keep going to 40 pages and be nothing to do with Dolly by the end of it, and just the usual posters all talking to themselves in a self congratulatory, doom mongering circle and be exactly like the eleventy billion threads all saying the exact same thing.
If past MN experience is anything to go by lol

So true, it is so predictable. It is why the fanatics were given their own board & I wish they would stay there - they are far more irritating than a trans woman having a wee in a cubicle next to me 😆

SerenaCat93 · 21/09/2026 10:15

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This is just embarrassing. Leave her alone FFS you sound like a school bully 🙄

Why are you repeatedly poking her when she wants you to leave her alone?

saraclara · 21/09/2026 10:15

CarbootJunction · 21/09/2026 10:12

I think her intrinsic kindness made her a target for organisations with their own targeted agendas.
She always maintained she wouldn't get involved in politics, because she didn't want to upset half her fans, yet she spoke out in favour of trans people, and also actively promoted covid jabs. Those two issues alone probably alienated millions of people.

How patronising. So you think she couldn't hold her own opinions without an organisation manipulating her?

SerenaCat93 · 21/09/2026 10:14

WouldYouLikeAnyToast · 21/09/2026 10:05

Nah. It'll keep going to 40 pages and be nothing to do with Dolly by the end of it, and just the usual posters all talking to themselves in a self congratulatory, doom mongering circle and be exactly like the eleventy billion threads all saying the exact same thing.
If past MN experience is anything to go by lol

Yep. We can all list the handful of usernames that will be going round and round in those circles in 30 pages time too. It's always the same ones!

CarbootJunction · 21/09/2026 10:12

I think her intrinsic kindness made her a target for organisations with their own targeted agendas.
She always maintained she wouldn't get involved in politics, because she didn't want to upset half her fans, yet she spoke out in favour of trans people, and also actively promoted covid jabs. Those two issues alone probably alienated millions of people.

MrsShawnHatosy · 21/09/2026 10:10

DisappearingGirl · 21/09/2026 09:46

I think you have to consider the time and place in which Dolly grew up and spent most of her adult life. She came from conservative small-town America where it was not acceptable to be gay or non-conforming, let alone trans. She was a queer icon and any trans people she knew were likely old-school transsexuals or the uber-camp uber-gay-man type of trans.

Similar for Taylor Swift making her You Need to Calm Down video with a lot of gender non-conforming people - she also started off in a very conservative community, and a lot of America is still very polarised and would not accept someone being gay, trans or otherwise non-conforming. I don't know what her view is on males in women's spaces, but I can see why she wanted to support the LGBT community in general.

I actually have a similar (but different) situation where I know a group of people (in the UK) who are very into trans rights - they're all in a particular music scene that attracts a lot of geeky, non-conforming people, some possibly autistic - the trans and non-binary people in that group are the type who wouldn't hurt a fly and would genuinely be at risk of harrassment from meat-head types.

So while I don't personally agree with males in women's spaces, I can see why some people have a different view based on their differing experiences and I don't hate them for it.

Again, how did “old school transsexuals” differ from modern transwomen?

Differentforgirls · 21/09/2026 10:07

WouldYouLikeAnyToast · 21/09/2026 10:05

Nah. It'll keep going to 40 pages and be nothing to do with Dolly by the end of it, and just the usual posters all talking to themselves in a self congratulatory, doom mongering circle and be exactly like the eleventy billion threads all saying the exact same thing.
If past MN experience is anything to go by lol

Spot on!

WouldYouLikeAnyToast · 21/09/2026 10:05

Kokonimater · 21/09/2026 10:00

Can we just shut this stupid thread down please.

Nah. It'll keep going to 40 pages and be nothing to do with Dolly by the end of it, and just the usual posters all talking to themselves in a self congratulatory, doom mongering circle and be exactly like the eleventy billion threads all saying the exact same thing.
If past MN experience is anything to go by lol

MrsColinRobinson · 21/09/2026 10:01

LancashireButterPie · 21/09/2026 09:55

The sooner we move to just unisex toilets the better. I really don't care where I have a wee just so long as it's clean.
At my last place of work (medical centre) there were no men's or women's toilets, just generic toilets, and it worked well.

No one got a glimpse of an unattended penis.

And what about all other single sex spaces?

Kokonimater · 21/09/2026 10:00

Can we just shut this stupid thread down please.

Wishimaywishimight · 21/09/2026 09:59

dustabsorber · 21/09/2026 00:48

Why ate you besmirching her memory?

Everything I have read since her passing indicate she was an amazing, talented, generous person. It is quite unpleasant to see someone try to sully her memory. What an unsavoury post.

2021x · 21/09/2026 09:58

WouldYouLikeAnyToast · 21/09/2026 09:56

In case you missed my last post - ignore. Grey rock.
It's the only language they understand.

Only if they are narcissists.

I am not a narcissist. I wouldn't erroneously accuse other posters of using me as a punching bag when they disagree with me.

AStonedRose · 21/09/2026 09:57

WouldYouLikeAnyToast · 21/09/2026 09:56

In case you missed my last post - ignore. Grey rock.
It's the only language they understand.

I really appreciate your posts but this is the advice you'd give to a woman who is being harrassed in a public space.

I shouldn't have to deal with harrassment.

WouldYouLikeAnyToast · 21/09/2026 09:56

AStonedRose · 21/09/2026 09:53

I've asked you to leave me alone twice.

This is the third time.

You are right now showing aggression against someone who has asked you to leave them alone.

This isn't my house but it is a public space.

Please, please stop it.

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In case you missed my last post - ignore. Grey rock.
It's the only language they understand.

2021x · 21/09/2026 09:55

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LancashireButterPie · 21/09/2026 09:55

The sooner we move to just unisex toilets the better. I really don't care where I have a wee just so long as it's clean.
At my last place of work (medical centre) there were no men's or women's toilets, just generic toilets, and it worked well.

No one got a glimpse of an unattended penis.

2021x · 21/09/2026 09:54

WouldYouLikeAnyToast · 21/09/2026 09:51

Just blank them. As they like to say on the other board - "grey rock."

Who is "them"?

AStonedRose · 21/09/2026 09:53

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I've asked you to leave me alone twice.

This is the third time.

You are right now showing aggression against someone who has asked you to leave them alone.

This isn't my house but it is a public space.

Please, please stop it.

2021x · 21/09/2026 09:52

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WouldYouLikeAnyToast · 21/09/2026 09:51

AStonedRose · 21/09/2026 09:50

I've asked you to leave me alone.

Just blank them. As they like to say on the other board - "grey rock."