To be disappointed Dolly Parton supported biological men using women's toilets?

@BIossomtoesI am not one of "the latest generation of women@. I'm 58.

Feminists are concerned with the rights/protections of women, not men.

And this thread began by talking about Dolly Parton and trans rights. That's the focus. We can talk about another topic of concern to feminists - start a new thread if you want!

If you are trying to say I'm a failure as a feminist because we are here discussing trans rights and the clash with women's rights then jog on.

@Differentforgirls

Why should "toilet monitors" be needed?

What should happen is that women have said no to TiMs in their toilets that should be enough.

And if you need a reason why so many TiMs are called predators its because no means no, anyone that doesn't respect that especially with regards to a single sex space is a predator.

Up close and personal and if they spoke. I’d bet my last mars bar you can. There’s obviously exceptions to every rule but I’ve never been in doubt what sex someone is when speaking to them.

I’ve met Katie Dolatowski, there’s nothing female about him, and even the most ardent TWAW allies wouldn’t in a month of Sundays leave their children in his company.

You can't always tell. Even if you pretend you've got an inbuilt radar.
Very weird that you would pretend otherwise.

‘They have a name for this faux, selective responses that are not in good faith. Other than disingenuous.’

Quite. Always seem to be obsessed with genitals too. As if one cant tell the sex of a person without looking at their genitals. Very weird.

Exactly. At best it’s cctv that is retrospective.

Thats why having a small amount of surveillance is useful. Like the cubicle door gaps permitted in single sex toilet environments.

This safety feature is not permitted in ‘gender neutral’ designs ie universal design.

Every toilet has to be universal design if everyone is allowed in each toilet.

They get paid minimum wage and are run off their feet. Please send me a job advert for "toilet monitor" in a UK supermarket along with the job description, wage and maybe some disclaimer that they won't be arrested for asking people either to show their birth certificates to have a pee or show their genitals.

Computer says no, does it, when women and girls are mentioned?

Gosh, I know. Maybe they’d all be ever so busy intervening in a ‘misgendering’ of a man who wants all to act as if he is a woman. A string of blue lights on their way, with sirens abuzz. Not a surprise to see the female victims don’t matter to so many who cheer this bs along.

They have a name for this faux, selective responses that are not in good faith. Other than disingenuous.

Staff in a supermarket don't have time to police toilets.

Well I did. When I wrote. ‘Add Iran too’… . It is quite simple really.

Oh, dearie, dear, me. Trans identified men/males, TIM.

Interestingly, in Iran men ‘identifying’ as women are not recognised as being women on paper if they don’t do the whole shebang, inside out purse created from their meat, two veg etc. etc. Full cosmetic surgery jobbie on their male genitals. Still doesn’t turn those men into women of course.

Before all this gender ideology, the police would probably have been called on any creepy man lying in wait in the women’s toilets, or following women or girls inside.

Men opportunistically lying in wait for or following female targets will certainly meet less pushback now as there has been a concerted effort to undermine the safety of women and girls. Those sinister claims that some man might regard himself as a woman. Clearly preposterous, but to what aim? Thankfully, I think one of KD’s (huge dude) victims was rescued by her dad.

Imagine all the self identified ‘kind’ and ‘good’ people not giving two hoots that men are being enabled to attack girls like this. Not so ‘kind’ and ‘good’ towards women and girls just wanting to navigate the public space in safety and comfort. They have their echoes throughout history.

That’s your response to a sexual attack on a 10 year old? Jesus wept.

Anyone can go into a supermarket toilet.

Well, we know that Katie Dolatowski hurt some young girl, or girls, when he was given the opportunity to do so. Physically and emotionally, probably in a way that will inflict life long damage to his victim/s.

One of many men who prey on women and girls where they are easily cornered, and vulnerable. I think the question is why some people seem to want to give men an easy opportunity to hurt women and girls. Why don’t some people care about women and girls? ‘Oh, he’s different all the other boys’ doesn’t quite cut it.

It’s not simple. Toilet design is actually very complicated. It’s difficult to get right. That’s why so many public toilets have closed.

This quote from a very good book about world sanitation stood out for me:

‘Anthropologists and sociologists should be infesting public toilets. There’s nothing else in human society quite like them. Not in society, not quite out of it. Needed but rarely demanded. A place where all sorts of human needs and habitats intersect: fear, disgust, conversation, grooming, sex. It’s an
ambiguous space that is not quite in the public eye, though the public uses it. A place of refuge and sociability: of necessity and criminality.’ Rose George, ‘The Big Necessity’ (2008)

The difference is the demanding! That’s off the scale now.

Seriously. How do you not understand that people are not criticising you because you're criticising someone who died. It's because you're being transphobic. It couldn't be more simple. Get help

Wow. "You do realise that trans women are biologically men, whatever they'd prefer to be"......

Wow. You really need to get yourself indoctrinated. "Whatever they'd prefer to be
..."

Fucking delusional statement. Who hurt you?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights_in_Iran

Wait. You’re suggesting that just transgender men in these countries rank higher than women because they’re … men?

It’s actually legal in Iran, as it’s seen as preferable to being homosexual which is obviously illegal and punishable by death as you say. So a lot of gay/gender non conforming men have been pressured into believing they are in the wrong body and gender reassignment as a ‘cure’. There’s human rights reports on it.

Did I even mention Iran?

No other words for it really. Hilarious eh?

Um …

The question was about TIM, not women. Everyone knows women in Afghanistan are suffering.

But to suggest that TIM are prioritised everywhere is a ridiculous statement when that in some of the countries I mentioned being transgender is punishable by death. This is separate entirely from the crime of homosexuality, also punishable by death.