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To be disappointed Dolly Parton supported biological men using women's toilets?

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Jane3212 · 21/09/2026 00:44

I really liked her music and she seemed like a nice person: her Imagination Library came to my borough recently. I was very sad to hear she'd died.
But was very disappointed to read this. The statements she made about trans people deserving respect, no issue with those.
But minimising the reasonable concerns women have about being forced to let men in their toilets was wrong.
I'm not saying she should have spoken out for GC issues. It might have been best just not to comment.
Parton had connections with drag queens and I wonder if that's the lens she saw transwomen through : not an excuse but might partially explain.

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TheKeatingFive · 24/09/2026 15:29

Soupsavior · 24/09/2026 15:28

So a derail then!

I don’t think that’s a derail, but if you think there’s an issue with any of my posts go report them

TheKeatingFive · 24/09/2026 15:28

Soupsavior · 24/09/2026 15:28

This is the extra irony on FWR. Anyone who supports trans must be a man of course. That's the instant accusation and you'll see posters who you know to be make accusing others of being men 😂

I didn’t say that either.

God good, wth is going on here?

Soupsavior · 24/09/2026 15:28

TheKeatingFive · 24/09/2026 15:27

My core position is what is the problem with women wanting their rights to sex spaces and services upheld?

So a derail then!

TheKeatingFive · 24/09/2026 15:28

Soupsavior · 24/09/2026 15:26

Or are you just putting a shoe on your feel fits? Because you seem to be taking comments about those who are anti trans for issues other than women's rights very personally despite the caveat that there are genuinely women who support this issue who are feminists.

No I’m reacting to comments where people seem to think I should take responsibility for things I have never said.

Soupsavior · 24/09/2026 15:28

TheKeatingFive · 24/09/2026 15:26

I didn’t describe as any of those things.

Can people please stop making up things and then using these made up points as arguments against me.

It’s almost funny because FWR is full of TRAs cruising by to rile women up. I’d never describe it as being solely women or solely feminist.

This is the extra irony on FWR. Anyone who supports trans must be a man of course. That's the instant accusation and you'll see posters who you know to be make accusing others of being men 😂

TheKeatingFive · 24/09/2026 15:27

Soupsavior · 24/09/2026 15:25

What exactly is your core position on this thread ? Because you flew in without RTFT and your core position seems to be being stroppy at people's posts without being able to disprove or argue anyone's points. Oh and derailing.

My core position is what is the problem with women wanting their rights to sex spaces and services upheld?

Soupsavior · 24/09/2026 15:26

TheKeatingFive · 24/09/2026 15:13

Posters are literally making up crap to attack other with.

Or are you just putting a shoe on your feel fits? Because you seem to be taking comments about those who are anti trans for issues other than women's rights very personally despite the caveat that there are genuinely women who support this issue who are feminists.

TheKeatingFive · 24/09/2026 15:26

Soupsavior · 24/09/2026 15:22

Never said they shouldn't be on there, but if you describe it as a board of women that's incorrect and if you describe it as a board of feminists that's also incorrect. When people are accurately describing transphobic behaviour on FWR you can't say "oh you have a problem with women's rights" when there's plenty of contributors who are anti women's rights on there.

I didn’t describe as any of those things.

Can people please stop making up things and then using these made up points as arguments against me.

It’s almost funny because FWR is full of TRAs cruising by to rile women up. I’d never describe it as being solely women or solely feminist.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 24/09/2026 15:26

Soupsavior · 24/09/2026 15:25

What exactly is your core position on this thread ? Because you flew in without RTFT and your core position seems to be being stroppy at people's posts without being able to disprove or argue anyone's points. Oh and derailing.

The irony.

Soupsavior · 24/09/2026 15:25

TheKeatingFive · 24/09/2026 15:23

I do find these kind of posts fascinating, because you are using every trick in the book to try and discredit/shut me up because you ultimately cannot argue against my core position.

I do not recall seeing any posts about murders. But you’re saying that I shouldn’t be disagreeing with any posts before disagreeing with that one? I mean, what?

What exactly is your core position on this thread ? Because you flew in without RTFT and your core position seems to be being stroppy at people's posts without being able to disprove or argue anyone's points. Oh and derailing.

Retro12 · 24/09/2026 15:24

Jane3212 · 21/09/2026 00:52

I get that a lot people loved her music, her charity work: I still do. But does that mean nothing she did can be criticised even mildly?
I'm not saying this negates her music or her philanthropy.

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She's dead ffs... Have some respect!

SinuousTendrils · 24/09/2026 15:24

Maybe she had other things to worry about.

TheKeatingFive · 24/09/2026 15:23

Soupsavior · 24/09/2026 15:19

If it's perfectly adequate adult behaviour what exactly is the point for this thread and why did you paraglide in to attack someone for disagreeing with OP?

And once again, what is the problem with women wanting their sex based rights protected?
for the second time, nothing when it's genuine and encompassing. You're getting so offended by the term bedfellows when no one is asking you to wear that shoe unless it fits. If you regularly go around calling out mens sexist comments on this issue, then you aren't who I'm talking about. I don't think you do though, or at least you haven't demonstrated it here.

I didn’t make any claims about transwomen and murder.

I know you didn't but it was called out as GC misinformation around the time you flew in to take some sort of issue with people's posts here. Do you take no issue with misinformation?

I do find these kind of posts fascinating, because you are using every trick in the book to try and discredit/shut me up because you ultimately cannot argue against my core position.

I do not recall seeing any posts about murders. But you’re saying that I shouldn’t be disagreeing with any posts before disagreeing with that one? I mean, what?

Soupsavior · 24/09/2026 15:22

TheKeatingFive · 24/09/2026 15:17

I’m not really sure where this ‘no men should be on FWR’ is coming from. MN has always been open to both sexes.

Any posters breaking site guidelines should obviously be dealt with.

Never said they shouldn't be on there, but if you describe it as a board of women that's incorrect and if you describe it as a board of feminists that's also incorrect. When people are accurately describing transphobic behaviour on FWR you can't say "oh you have a problem with women's rights" when there's plenty of contributors who are anti women's rights on there.

Lexibletheflexible · 24/09/2026 15:20

TheKeatingFive · 24/09/2026 15:17

I’m not really sure where this ‘no men should be on FWR’ is coming from. MN has always been open to both sexes.

Any posters breaking site guidelines should obviously be dealt with.

Oh and if you see a man you agree with call a woman are moron because she disagrees with you both on a women's issue, then call him out way before you rebut her points.

TheKeatingFive · 24/09/2026 15:19

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 24/09/2026 15:15

It’s lazy to think AI but… AI. Now you’re responsible for pulling up Linehan on whatever it is he seems to be doing. Do better.

😭

Linehan of all people. As if he’d pay attention to some random

Soupsavior · 24/09/2026 15:19

TheKeatingFive · 24/09/2026 14:56

All this talk about ‘bedfellows’ is ridiculous though. What would make anyone a ‘bedfellow’? People agree on some topics but not others, this is perfectly standard adult behaviour.

I also happen to agree with Hitler’s opinions on animal rights (he was a big advocate). Would that make me a bedfellow of his?

I didn’t make any claims about transwomen and murder. Once again, can I remind you I am only responsible for my own posts, not other people’s.

And once again, what is the problem with women wanting their sex based rights protected?

If it's perfectly adequate adult behaviour what exactly is the point for this thread and why did you paraglide in to attack someone for disagreeing with OP?

And once again, what is the problem with women wanting their sex based rights protected?
for the second time, nothing when it's genuine and encompassing. You're getting so offended by the term bedfellows when no one is asking you to wear that shoe unless it fits. If you regularly go around calling out mens sexist comments on this issue, then you aren't who I'm talking about. I don't think you do though, or at least you haven't demonstrated it here.

I didn’t make any claims about transwomen and murder.

I know you didn't but it was called out as GC misinformation around the time you flew in to take some sort of issue with people's posts here. Do you take no issue with misinformation?

Lexibletheflexible · 24/09/2026 15:19

TheKeatingFive · 24/09/2026 15:17

I’m not really sure where this ‘no men should be on FWR’ is coming from. MN has always been open to both sexes.

Any posters breaking site guidelines should obviously be dealt with.

I didnt say no men should be there at all. I said no man should be in there and comfortable enough to attack women about women's issues like he has been made to feel by the women who fawn over him.

TheKeatingFive · 24/09/2026 15:17

Lexibletheflexible · 24/09/2026 15:14

What I know is that I've seen one poster I know for sure is male and I have seen him attack several women for disagreeing with him, including blatant name calling which I've personally reported and had deleted. I also know that several women in FWR fawn over this man and support him when he attacks other women, just because he shares their PoV on one topic.

I've seen that, too.

IMO, until a woman who knows him offline could vouch for him, he should have never been made comfortable in that part of the site at all.

I’m not really sure where this ‘no men should be on FWR’ is coming from. MN has always been open to both sexes.

Any posters breaking site guidelines should obviously be dealt with.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 24/09/2026 15:15

TheKeatingFive · 24/09/2026 15:13

Posters are literally making up crap to attack other with.

It’s lazy to think AI but… AI. Now you’re responsible for pulling up Linehan on whatever it is he seems to be doing. Do better.

Lexibletheflexible · 24/09/2026 15:14

TheKeatingFive · 24/09/2026 15:10

I’m not even sure of the relevance of this as how could you possibly know if its the same poster?

I’m glad Mumsnet are dealing with personal attacks.

What I know is that I've seen one poster I know for sure is male and I have seen him attack several women for disagreeing with him, including blatant name calling which I've personally reported and had deleted. I also know that several women in FWR fawn over this man and support him when he attacks other women, just because he shares their PoV on one topic.

I've seen that, too.

IMO, until a woman who knows him offline could vouch for him, he should have never been made comfortable in that part of the site at all.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 24/09/2026 15:13

Soupsavior · 24/09/2026 15:12

If "TIMs" are that bad and dangerous because they are men, GC men are just as bad and dangerous and untrustworthy because they are men. You should be equally suspicious of their motivations.

👏👏👏👏

Exactly. But they think men like Linehan deserve applause for...tweeting abuse at women who hold a different opinion 🫠

Are you ok?!

TheKeatingFive · 24/09/2026 15:13

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 24/09/2026 15:10

It’s so wild.

Posters are literally making up crap to attack other with.

TheKeatingFive · 24/09/2026 15:12

Soupsavior · 24/09/2026 15:12

If "TIMs" are that bad and dangerous because they are men, GC men are just as bad and dangerous and untrustworthy because they are men. You should be equally suspicious of their motivations.

👏👏👏👏

Exactly. But they think men like Linehan deserve applause for...tweeting abuse at women who hold a different opinion 🫠

Who is saying Linehan deserves applause?

TheKeatingFive · 24/09/2026 15:12

Soupsavior · 24/09/2026 15:08

Oh well I've seen many many many more than 1 that are male and notably also declared themselves not feminist. Are you some sort of authority on FWR that you feel the need to take such offense at the suggestion there are male unfeminist posters? And not just FER, many other online spaces. Linehans misogyny on twitter? I suppose the female posters who are adamantly anti choice passed you by too. Somehow in your quest to protect women's rights some women on there never see or challenge those threats to women's rights, and the ones who do get accused of having a purity spiral.🤷🏻‍♀️

I feel like people have gone completely mad here.

All I have stated is my own experience. I have never suggested that I’m speaking for anyone else.

As for Linehan and Twitter, well guess what, I’m not responsible for him or that platform either 🤷‍♀️

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