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To be disappointed Dolly Parton supported biological men using women's toilets?

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Jane3212 · 21/09/2026 00:44

I really liked her music and she seemed like a nice person: her Imagination Library came to my borough recently. I was very sad to hear she'd died.
But was very disappointed to read this. The statements she made about trans people deserving respect, no issue with those.
But minimising the reasonable concerns women have about being forced to let men in their toilets was wrong.
I'm not saying she should have spoken out for GC issues. It might have been best just not to comment.
Parton had connections with drag queens and I wonder if that's the lens she saw transwomen through : not an excuse but might partially explain.

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SpiderInMyShoe · 25/09/2026 08:13

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 25/09/2026 07:45

What ideology would that be then?

I’m not sure actually. All I know is I don’t seem to fit, even though I’ve served on feminist committees and been part of women’s charities for many years.

SpiderInMyShoe · 25/09/2026 08:10

”Real life”, not bullet points for feminists from the HRC.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 25/09/2026 08:09

BIossomtoes · 25/09/2026 08:02

You know that perfectly well. Utter disingenuousness.

I don’t, that’s why I’m asking.

If it means believing trans woman are actually women and that women shouldn’t have the rights to single SEX spaces and sports away from nice men, bad men, men who think they are women men, then yeah, that’s bollocks. Pun intended.

And it isn’t feminism in the slightest. However you want to dress it up or call it a fancy new name.

BIossomtoes · 25/09/2026 08:02

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 25/09/2026 08:00

What’s a ‘second wave feminist’?

You know that perfectly well. Utter disingenuousness.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 25/09/2026 08:00

BIossomtoes · 25/09/2026 07:57

It’s a very common thing now. Apparently you must conform to a narrow ideology. Despite being a second wave feminist I’ve been told on a few occasions that I don’t do feminism properly. Often by someone who wasn’t even born when my battles with the patriarchy started. It’s really depressing that so many attempts are made to repress independent thought.

What’s a ‘second wave feminist’?

BIossomtoes · 25/09/2026 07:59

Sunbringer · 25/09/2026 07:59

Dolly practically wore drag her whole career it’s hardly surprising

Ffs.

Sunbringer · 25/09/2026 07:59

Dolly practically wore drag her whole career it’s hardly surprising

BIossomtoes · 25/09/2026 07:57

SpiderInMyShoe · 25/09/2026 07:44

Are you suggesting other feminists can’t exist? Or just the ones that subscribe to your particular ideology?

Seems odd and exclusive

It’s a very common thing now. Apparently you must conform to a narrow ideology. Despite being a second wave feminist I’ve been told on a few occasions that I don’t do feminism properly. Often by someone who wasn’t even born when my battles with the patriarchy started. It’s really depressing that so many attempts are made to repress independent thought.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 25/09/2026 07:45

SpiderInMyShoe · 25/09/2026 07:44

Are you suggesting other feminists can’t exist? Or just the ones that subscribe to your particular ideology?

Seems odd and exclusive

What ideology would that be then?

Igneococcus · 25/09/2026 07:45

SpiderInMyShoe · 25/09/2026 07:42

I’m not sure this often-repeated trope actually exists in real life.

Does it not?
https://www.hrc.org/resources/5-things-to-know-to-make-your-feminism-trans-inclusive

SpiderInMyShoe · 25/09/2026 07:44

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 25/09/2026 07:32

Extraordinary is definitely one way of describing it.

‘Other feminists’. 🤣

Are you suggesting other feminists can’t exist? Or just the ones that subscribe to your particular ideology?

Seems odd and exclusive

SpiderInMyShoe · 25/09/2026 07:42

Igneococcus · 25/09/2026 07:35

Hang on, the sort of feminist whose feminism includes men as long as they think they are women are opposed to men posting on FWR?

I’m not sure this often-repeated trope actually exists in real life.

Differentforgirls · 25/09/2026 07:40

BIossomtoes · 25/09/2026 07:27

I’m not sure FWR recognises just how much this drives other feminists away.

💯

Definitely.

Igneococcus · 25/09/2026 07:35

Hang on, the sort of feminist whose feminism includes men as long as they think they are women are opposed to men posting on FWR?

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 25/09/2026 07:32

SpiderInMyShoe · 25/09/2026 06:50

You’ve been extraordinary and summarised all the tactics beautifully.

I’m not sure FWR recognises just how much this drives other feminists away.

(I note a few posts on Wes pulls out the “boring” response on you. I’ve seen that one before too - used when that poster wants to halt a conversation.)

Extraordinary is definitely one way of describing it.

‘Other feminists’. 🤣

BIossomtoes · 25/09/2026 07:27

I’m not sure FWR recognises just how much this drives other feminists away.

💯

Genevieva · 25/09/2026 06:58

Your feelings illustrate exactly why famous entertainers shouldn’t be asked to opine on every politics debate and take sides. It is better if their opinions largely remain private and if they refuse to be a soap box for one side or the other.

I remember Tom Felton being asked to get involved in this debate when Emma Watson and Daniel Radcliffe were slating JK Rowling. He replied with a wise retort that has always stayed with me:

"I'm not Mr. Social Affairs… Lord knows, I'm the last person that's going to wade in with opinions about what other people have said."

SpiderInMyShoe · 25/09/2026 06:50

Soupsavior · 24/09/2026 15:52

Except I'm already engaging in good faith. Any post I've responded to I've made clear which sort I was questioning or calling out. I haven't quoted anyone's post with just a "lol this is AI/primary school/ handmaiden" stuff underneath. I've said I'll happily clarify any single thing you feel makes no sense in my posts. But as the MRA behaviour has been out in force already on this thread let's see if you do usual thing of having a last word strop even when it makes no sense or you could respond genuinely quoting a part of any of my pairs you're accusing of not making sense.

You’ve been extraordinary and summarised all the tactics beautifully.

I’m not sure FWR recognises just how much this drives other feminists away.

(I note a few posts on Wes pulls out the “boring” response on you. I’ve seen that one before too - used when that poster wants to halt a conversation.)

SpiderInMyShoe · 25/09/2026 06:39

TheKeatingFive · 24/09/2026 15:00

I am aware of 1 GC male poster on FWR, that’s all. Personally I’ve not seen misogyny from him, but I’m not stalking him.

There is plenty of misogyny coming from the TRAs on FWR however

You’re being disingenuous here. There are relatively frequent discussions on FWR about this and I’m sure you haven’t missed them. There are at least 10 or so regular male GC posters on FWR. Certainly not only one!

JustGoogleIt15 · 25/09/2026 05:54

Jane3212 · 22/09/2026 23:06

Of course, and people also have freedom to critique and discuss statements by others.

But so soon after her death? I think you could be a lot more empathic. Leave it 6 months and then start bad mouthing her.

Differentforgirls · 25/09/2026 04:57

WouldYouLikeAnyToast · 24/09/2026 23:14

I think I missed my calling. I should be a psychic 😁
Had a bet on by myself that the regulars would be all here by the end all talking to themselves and that Erish would come in for the last few pages.
And here we are 😁
(Can't find a Mystic Meg or Septic Peg gif, ah well)

As sure as the sun rising in the morning 😊

TooBigForMyBoots · 25/09/2026 01:25

WouldYouLikeAnyToast · 24/09/2026 23:14

I think I missed my calling. I should be a psychic 😁
Had a bet on by myself that the regulars would be all here by the end all talking to themselves and that Erish would come in for the last few pages.
And here we are 😁
(Can't find a Mystic Meg or Septic Peg gif, ah well)

I have no doubt the haters and TRAs have already harvested this thread for all it's worth.🫤

bittertwisted · 25/09/2026 00:58

TheOriginalEmu · 24/09/2026 21:41

she paid for gender affirming care for an employee of hers, she wrote the music for a film about a transwoman, she opposed the bill regarding trans people and toilets. Thats supporting trans people. People who don’t think transwomen are women rarely spend that much time supporting them.

She did so much to support women
so what if she supported other people, including the madness of it , MEN 😵🥂
I have never heard a single celebrity or person who met her say a bad word about Dolly, did you come from the sort of background she did? you should be ashamed of your words

WouldYouLikeAnyToast · 24/09/2026 23:14

I think I missed my calling. I should be a psychic 😁
Had a bet on by myself that the regulars would be all here by the end all talking to themselves and that Erish would come in for the last few pages.
And here we are 😁
(Can't find a Mystic Meg or Septic Peg gif, ah well)

fortune teller gypsy GIF
Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/09/2026 22:20

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 21/09/2026 13:44

Excuse me?

Genderists always think it’s a reference to Atwood. It isn’t.

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