What do we REALLY think about the weight loss jabs?

Hi, congratulations on coming off the blood preessure meds! It feels so good doesn't it? And well done on the blood test results! It's a (No pun intended!) weight off your mind isn't it? Really, it's good too hear.

How are fat and healthy people relevant then? The part where you explain why that's the case is missing. WLIs obviously aren't making or keeping people fat and healthy, and the people you were talking about who were fat and unhealthy but are now thin and unhealthy are a different group.

Odd that you addressed it to me given that I haven't called anyone a fucking idiot or said anything was offensive.

I think these issues affect multiple groups, which is why I mentioned it. At least one pp said she was sick of being offered WLIs, and I think we were slowly getting to a better place on body image for girls, which is very clearly being undone via celebrity diet culture. That’s not the fault of obese individuals, it’s just an element of WLI availability and effectiveness that plays into culture. Unhealthy is unhealthy, if weight is the cause of it losing the weight is necessary, but for reasons I’ve said I think we’re regressing a bit to the idea of thin = healthy/morally good.

I wasn’t accusing you of saying anything, my point is that I’m not averse to anyone disagreeing however strongly, but my impression is several posters, including you at times, seem stuck on their personal experience of WLIs being positive and assume any discussion of the wider issues is critique of them/their weight/their choices. It isn’t.

I really really don’t think that we were in a better place for body image for girls and women before the arrival of WLI, or that they have now reversed progress and made thin the new obsession and are causing that change. Celebrity diet culture has always been there and has had its ups and downs. There has never been a pause in the endless focus on the size of women. This is just the latest focus and it will be something else soon. I also don’t think that celebrity culture is something that should inform public health.

You don't know much about academic research, do you?

🤣 Don’t tell the VC!

I definitely saw a change in older teens/young adult women over the last 10 years or so, much more fashionable to have big bums and thighs, for example.

No, clearly public health shouldn’t be informed by celebrity culture, but some of the public’s health obviously is informed by that isn’t it?

Yes, there has never been a pause in the endless focus on the size or shape of women. It doesn't come from a place of concern about health or ever relate to health goals, even if the trend is about "big bums and thighs". That particular one led to the insane idea of injecting silicone into that area, or implants or fat transfers. Deadly in some cases. None of the focusses are any better or worse than any other, really. It's all unhealthy and a symptom of sexism, misogyny, a shallow society, capitalism and so on.

Agree, definitely none of it comes from a place of health or concern, though some of these things trick us by promoting ‘wellness’. It’s serving capitalist interests and keeping us poor and tired.

And yet you continue to ignore two thirds of rhe population are over weight obese, you focus only on women becoming slim,

Uh huh.

People being offered WLIs when they don't want them is definitely bad, but it self-evidently coexists with an obesogenic environment that's a huge problem now and also was pre WLIs. That was getting worse not better, was never tackled and there's never been any indication that it was going to be successfully tackled at any time. I do agree there's a worrying tendency to equate thin with morally good but again this is a longstanding problem.

The second paragraph as it relates to me is projection. I not only don't see any criticism from you specifically about my own choices but would be amused to receive any. It has no more validity than anything I might pull out of my arse about you.

I agree with much of what you say, but I’m not sure it is bad to be honest to offer the med if you don’t wish, there was a medical reason they were offered, she declined.

Most people do wish medication to help them.

But of course we can all decline. does not matter what it is, from statins to blood pressure meds to chemo, everyone has a right to choose, but the majority of people offered a medication for a medical need wish the medication, that poster didn’t, but I don’t see it as bad of a doctor ro offer, and offer more than once if they feel fhe patients health would benefit,

I was thinking about this thread with amusement this morning, the posters obsessed with these medications which they don’t take and trying to play it off as an altruistic concern for health.

yet fail to mention any of the health benefits of the drugs, from reduced cancers on, fail to mention the very real life limiting and ending impacts of obesity, fail to mention the cost to societies of obesity,

but focus on minor rare risks, women’s bodies, theoretical situations of people eating unhealthy and injecting, or governments (and this one really made me laugh) concreting over green spaces as the medications exist,

everyone can see what their issues are, no matter how much they are at pains to hide it, it’s almost laughable if it wasn’t so tragic,

That's a very good point. You only have to spend a short time on the WLI board on here to see so many positives from so many people. Of course there are some negatives too but so so many positives.

Yes on here and Reddit, the huge huge improvement in people’s health is indisputable.

and it’s proven the health benefits, so far we know

reduction in inflammation, which allows internal organs to regenerate, every time we get sick or suffer damage, our cells retain a marker of that, and that marker is inflammation, when you remove the inflammation our cells regenerate, resulting in a slowing, ceasing, or in some they have now seen, a reversal in ageing,

improved cardio vascular health and treatment of cardio vascular disease

improved liver function and reduction of fatty liver disease

reduced cancers , inc with mounjaro a reduction of 69 percent of pancreatic cancer instances

improved blood sugar control

optimal insulin response

both resulting in less cravings and healthier diets.

yes every med comes with some risk, but we know these are very rare with these meds, and if the posters taking issue put forward a balanced argument , citing the reasons they exist, recognising the up tick in people’s health, the fact obesity is the biggest killer in society, I’d engage in a sensible discussion

but they don’t.

Just a small example on that, having lost 2.5 st of the probably 4 I could do with losing, I have now gone back to exercising. Running, swimming, hiking that I felt uncomfortable, sweaty, heavy doing before. Im pretty skint so have paused my subscription to see if I can maintain or lose without the low dose I was on now that my activity is much increased. I've had basically no side effects and the side by side thread I'm on on the WL boards have reported similar. Yes, issues can happen but the negative reactions to WLI is out of all proportion and not seen in relation to ANY other kind of medication.

The social impact of them, frankly, is not my problem. If it reinforces the message that slim is better for your health (slim not skinny) I have no issue with that. Bottom line is is no-one else's concern.

I completely agree and when you read the long list of benefits, isn’t it quite sad and wrong that these are currently only available to the few free of charge or the many who can afford the extra cost. I don’t grudge others - I’m pleased for them genuinely - just a bit feeling if only …

I’d love to know where anyone suggested governments would ‘concrete over green spaces because medications exist’.

The health benefits are indeed huge, arguably we should make these drugs available for a wider group of the population. But currently they’re only available for weight related issues and diabetes. So it’s legitimate to wonder what this incredible cure might mean for the still enormous problem of prevention. Maybe we should preventively offer WLIs, to children or people with family history of obesity, because prevention is always better.

Gosh you are getting irate, and here is where you said it. Because if they don’t maintain a green space then what else are they doing but concreting over it.

but the only relevance was that simply losing weight isn’t a panacea so it’s quite important that we collectively maintain expectations on governments to make sure green space, public transport, healthy food, etc are accessible because just reducing obesity through drugs is not enough

maybe you need to step away if you’re getting upset, as you’re becoming hyperbolic with the inject kids and people who have a history of obesity in their family. It’s maybe best for you to come to terms with the fact we can take these drugs and be slim

I’m pleased you haven’t interpreted anything I’ve said as criticism of you, because I haven’t intended to be critical of you, or indeed of anyone.

Thanks for confirming that no-one said what you claimed.

I’m really not irate, it’s mildly amusing watching you make false statements but that’s all. I’m certainly not spending my evenings reflecting on things you’ve said.

The people who I know who have taken it have aged very quickly. I’m not sure if that’s to do with what’s in the jab itself or sudden weight loss
I suppose it’s a small price to pay to be healthier and no longer obsese.
Since menopause I’ve struggled with my weight and need low calories and to weight train a lot. It’s very boring and hard work and takes a lot of willpower…I’m not tempted by the jabs but i can certainly see why people are

You’re denying your own post ? 😂

That's interesting. I've noticed the opposite. I guess it depends how fast the weight loss happens. I, and everyone I know on the jabs, have gone for a sensible rate of weight loss and I think we all look younger and more energetic. I've had so many people comment on how well I look.