What do we REALLY think about the weight loss jabs?

@wldpwr there will likely be an “uptick” in gallbladder issues as it’s associated with losing weight. GLP1s mean people lose weight. There’s no evidence that taking a GLP1 increases your risk of developing gallbladder issues above and beyond any other risk factors that apply to you. With several million people successfully losing weight on GLP1s I’d be amazed if there was no increase in gall bladder issues at all. Overall it is still better for your health to lose weight, even if you end up having your gall bladder out as a result. Better than remaining obese, and still being at higher risk of gallbladder issues.

Sorry that sounded snippy @ChunkyMonkey36it wasn’t intended that way. Everyone has their own risk tolerances, good thing is no one is being forced to take any sort of medication.

the issue I have is when people (not you) misinterpret information and use it to scaremonger.

The gov info says:

Part 2
You should also enter any other diseases, injuries, conditions or events that contributed to the death, but were not part of the direct sequence, in part 2 of the MCCD. The conditions mentioned in part 2 must be known or suspected to have contributed to the death, not merely be other conditions which were present at the time.

I would say that 2 doses of WLI being either known or suspected to have contributed to death, rather than just that they were known to have been taken, is a concern.

What are you talking about. The poster wanted me to demonstrate someone who had died after using GLP1s, when wanting to lose weight before a wedding. The end.

I don't have a postition. HTH.

But if it makes you feel happy, there have been no deaths associated with GLP1s used by either diabetics or for weight loss, and there have not been 100s of thousands of reports of adverse effects in the UK alone. There, enjoy your delusions. Most sane people prefer to be well informed on any adverse long term effects of any drug they might be on. YMM clearly varies.

No it means little, it just means she was on the meds basically. And they won’t have helped. My own doctor told me about that nurse, she was very unwell and the drugs were irrelevant, she would have died anyway.

what happened was her family linked them, and went to the media and it went viral , it was listed as a contributing factor, as the cost and time to do a huge investigation to prove it wasn’t the drugs was not seen as necessary as the medical staff knew why she died and the cause of death was clearly listed. She had acute pancreatitis, which was not as she’d taken a second low level injection of mounjaro

acute pancreatitis is quite common, about 50 people in every 100k, it’s not a new thing or anything.

The gov info says:

Part 2
You should also enter any other diseases, injuries, conditions or events that contributed to the death, but were not part of the direct sequence, in part 2 of the MCCD. The conditions mentioned in part 2 must be known or suspected to have contributed to the death, not merely be other conditions which were present at the time.

I would say that 2 doses of WLI being either known or suspected to have contributed to death, rather than just that they were known to have been taken, is a concern.

The gov info says:

Part 2
You should also enter any other diseases, injuries, conditions or events that contributed to the death, but were not part of the direct sequence, in part 2 of the MCCD. The conditions mentioned in part 2 must be known or suspected to have contributed to the death, not merely be other conditions which were present at the time.

I would say that 2 doses of WLI being either known or suspected to have contributed to death, rather than just that they were known to have been taken, is a concern.

From my understanding a contributing factor doesn’t really mean much. They will note all health conditions a person has as a contributing factor (I think)

A contributing factor is not responsible for a persons death.

“Part II (Contributing Factors): Lists other important, pre-existing diseases or conditions the person had (such as diabetes, high blood pressure, or chronic asthma) that made the body weaker or made the fatal illness harder to fight, even though they did not directly start the final sequence.”

I may be being obtuse here, but surely someone passing away with GLP listed as even a contributing factor after two doses is a concern?

We’re not talking years of use. We’re talking what, 10mg of the stuff maybe?

The fact it was even listed as contributing is obviously worrying, as far as I’m concerned. That there was a genuine view that after 2 doses it contributed to her death, whether it was the listed cause or not?

I’d assume otherwise it wouldn’t be on there, certainly after just two.

From my understanding a contributing factor doesn’t really mean much. They will note all health conditions a person has as a contributing factor (I think)

A contributing factor is not responsible for a persons death.

“Part II (Contributing Factors): Lists other important, pre-existing diseases or conditions the person had (such as diabetes, high blood pressure, or chronic asthma) that made the body weaker or made the fatal illness harder to fight, even though they did not directly start the final sequence.”

There has been no deaths globally directly caused by the drugs, the stats are available on line. Of course people have died whilst on the drugs, of common causes , they don’t make you immortal.

I may be being obtuse here, but surely someone passing away with GLP listed as even a contributing factor after two doses is a concern?

We’re not talking years of use. We’re talking what, 10mg of the stuff maybe?

The fact it was even listed as contributing is obviously worrying, as far as I’m concerned. That there was a genuine view that after 2 doses it contributed to her death, whether it was the listed cause or not?

I’d assume otherwise it wouldn’t be on there, certainly after just two.

I have also been seriously ill with my gallbladder on Mounjaro. I accept I probably had gallstones before (now I know what the pain feels like I don't think it's the first time I've had it). However, Mounjaro definitely exacerbates gallbladder problems. After being told emphatically not to use Mounjaro until I had my gallbladder removed (but also emphatically to lose as much weight as possible before my surgery!) I did try going back on it and it absolutely made my symptoms worse. The consultant I saw told me that there is a huge uptick in gallbladder issues and the theory amongst clinicians is that it's related to GLP 1.

However I bloody love Mounjaro for so many reasons and I'll be right back on it if the NHS ever gets around to removing my gallbladder! I think it can be both truly miraculous and not without its problems.

Are you as bothered by the 2000 deaths a year due to painkillers? And not because of overdosing either. They can have rare but severe side effects.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2000/mar/15/futureofthenhs.health

Better be sure and not take any antibiotics ever either.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-65918362

What are you talking about. The poster wanted me to demonstrate someone who had died after using GLP1s, when wanting to lose weight before a wedding. The end.

I don't have a postition. HTH.

But if it makes you feel happy, there have been no deaths associated with GLP1s used by either diabetics or for weight loss, and there have not been 100s of thousands of reports of adverse effects in the UK alone. There, enjoy your delusions. Most sane people prefer to be well informed on any adverse long term effects of any drug they might be on. YMM clearly varies.

What are you talking about. The poster wanted me to demonstrate someone who had died after using GLP1s, when wanting to lose weight before a wedding. The end.

I don't have a postition. HTH.

But if it makes you feel happy, there have been no deaths associated with GLP1s used by either diabetics or for weight loss, and there have not been 100s of thousands of reports of adverse effects in the UK alone. There, enjoy your delusions. Most sane people prefer to be well informed on any adverse long term effects of any drug they might be on. YMM clearly varies.

Nurse's death linked to weight-loss drug Mounjaro approved on NHS

She definitely didn't die, either.

What are you talking about. The poster wanted me to demonstrate someone who had died after using GLP1s, when wanting to lose weight before a wedding. The end.

I don't have a postition. HTH.

But if it makes you feel happy, there have been no deaths associated with GLP1s used by either diabetics or for weight loss, and there have not been 100s of thousands of reports of adverse effects in the UK alone. There, enjoy your delusions. Most sane people prefer to be well informed on any adverse long term effects of any drug they might be on. YMM clearly varies.

Nurse's death linked to weight-loss drug Mounjaro approved on NHS

She definitely didn't die, either.