What do we REALLY think about the weight loss jabs?

It was the average intake in the 1950s. Now it's about 1,900.

3-4000 a week, or a day?

It’s absolutely not difficult to eat less than 3000-4000 calories a day.

That’s absolutely not restrictive eating.

3-4k calories??? Who the hell is eating that?!

Sure, but so is being obese, hence the links. It took me five minutes to google.

Rapid weight loss is a risk for gallstones.

I think you are supposed to feel cheated!

Very sad for both of them - or are you not including the one who had a heart defect?

Considering that the average energy intake in previous years was considerably above what it is now, it's not entirely surprising that attempts to restrict below the 3-4000 kcal mark are difficult for many people. That doesn't mean that the calories in a cooked breakfast, cooked lunch and cooked dinner, plus drinks with sugar and milk and biscuits and cakes were magically less potent because they were being cooked by a housewife in a frock and pinny, it means that the environment that made it possible to match human instincts for satiety with the energy requirements of life has gone - if it ever existed in the first place, bearing in mind that it was possible to buy Benzedrine over the counter from the 1930s and was freely available on prescription along with Dexedrine from the immediate post war period.

You're harking back to an era where medications with far higher risks were freely available.

@wldpwr I don’t think people would need to individually report gallbladder issues to the manufacturer. The kind of data analysis I had in mind would be done on data held by the NHS or the equivalent in other countries. For example my NHS record shows my private Mounjaro prescription and would also record any treatment I had for gallbladder issues.

Seriously??? I lost 5 stone ‘naturally’ a few years ago. How on earth am I adversely affected by someone else losing weight in a different way?

Sure, although I haven't reported my gallbladder issues to Eli Lilly (and they might well say "how do you know you didn't have them anyway?").

I bet many people are the same.

Obesity means an increased risk of gallstones, weight loss is actually not mentioned. I also thought rapid loss was the main issue but I went off and read up on it.

Did you quote the wrong person, as you literally agreed with me. Or did you want to attack so badly you didn’t read properly?

You are shockingly ill informed for someone so opinionated. Obesity is a major risk factor for gallstones, and gallbladder dysfunction for women.

https://www.nhsinform.scot/illnesses-and-conditions/stomach-liver-and-gastrointestinal-tract/gallstones/

https://www.doctorbotvinov.com/blog/the-link-between-obesity-and-gallbladder-issues

Nope. I didn't appreciate your rudeness though, and clearly I wasn't the only one as it seems some of your posts were reported and deleted.

@ChunkyMonkey36Depends if there’s a greater risk of death and other serious health problems by not losing weight though. Nearly every decision has a risk but the risks associated with being overweight are well known. So I’d rather be lighter and I’m more than happy with my jabs. My only “regret” is my beautiful clothes at size 18 are now falling off me! I’m very delighted to be a size 14 again but it’s expensive buying new clothes! Fun, but pricey.

I started them a 2.5 years ago, as soon as they came out . Was very nervous, but I never had any side effects ( apart from weight loss )
I lost 12.5 stone and so far have managed to keep it off. It’s literally helped me save my life

Weight gain and loss leads to gall stones. I don’t see anyone posting about fat people having an increased risk.

the bottom line is everyone has different risk assesments, for me the proven and very real risks of obesity related illnesses or death is much higher than a small unproven risk associated with these meds, but that’s my risk factor assessment,

same with nurofen, 2000 people die each year on average from taking it in recommended dosage. I’ve yet to see any threads on it. And that’s over the counter.

either way as said, the drugs aren’t going away, they will only be more widespread, obesity rates will thankfully reverse and the population become healthier, we will see less heart attack,strokes, diabetes, cancers, and less joint replacements required, amongst many other things, and if some don’t want to take it as they are scared and feel there is a bigger risk to their health, that’s also all good, it’s personal choice. If they have weighr problems I hope they get to a healthy weight and can maintain it, thr latter being the most difficult part. But I wish them well on their journeys and I hope they succeed before they feel the impacts of their weight and that they feel happy when as they go on their journey, as mental health is also important.

what those people can’t do, is dictate no one else can have them, or how they access them, their opinion carries no weight other than what they themselves do for their own health,

Agree but it’s associated with rapid weight loss of any kind, not weight loss per se, so it’s the speed which is the issue. Of course that same risk applies to crash diets, gastric bands etc.

Going back to the original post, it does look like for some people, WLI scaremongering and misinformation is taking the place of the covid jab conspiracies. Back then, every time someone got ill or died it was attributed to the covid jabs. Didn’t matter if they’d fallen off a cliff or had terminal cancer, it was definitely the jab wot done ‘em in.

@wldpwr I think that with real world data in the millions across the world it will be the case that the risk of gallbladder complications will prove to be no higher than the risk of gallbladder complications from losing weight on its own. There should be a lot of data available and I’m sure someone somewhere is crunching the numbers.

And many cancers

I have Gallstones, used to have a terrible attack every couple of months.

I’ve not had one since I started on the WLIs ..

I’ve lost 5 stone, I sm on a lower dose now as still have weight to lose.

The knee surgery I was getting scheduled for is no longer needed.

I am at a lower risk for Heart Attack and Stroke.

@peppy23 / @Stormyrose

No you’re quite right, I don’t take them. Not because of the risk factors, but because I don’t personally see the cost vs benefit as enough for me.

I don’t, for example, believe there’s a gall bladder risk that doesn’t exist with other factors. It might be that WLI increase your risk of gall bladder issues. But that’s not likely because of the injection themselves, but because that’s an associated risk of losing weight, which is what they’re used for.

I had gallstones already at my last scan, they just weren’t bothering me. If they start bothering me now because I’ve lost weight, they’d have done that with or without WLI.

I commented on the deaths and whether they were associated or not is because whether you’re taking them personally or not, if they were increasing risk of death that’s obviously a concern. I know plenty on them, I’d rather they didn’t have a death contributed to by them. That’s not an unreasonable concern.

However now you’ve explained the context, I have already acknowledged that.

A contributing factor on a death certificate is a medical condition or disease that played a role in the death, but did not directly cause the final chain of events that led to it.

You can argue that the drugs didn’t cause her death but it’s plainly wrong to pretend they were irrelevant. If they were they wouldn’t be listed.

You keep describing others as desperate but you sound like someone petrified that the small amount of evidence of harm will somehow threaten your supply. You’re incapable
of accepting any different viewpoint or idea without flying off the handle.

I don’t think I’ve ever posted on WLIs, only saw this thread because it came up on the list below another. I (mistakenly) thought it was an interesting subject.

I haven’t insisted on face to face reviews, at all. And I couldn’t care less what you believe.