What do we REALLY think about the weight loss jabs?

I don't like them at all.

It's not fair on people who have lost weight through use of exercise and willpower. Some people will still be eschewing the use of these drugs and doing it the old fashioned way, yet people will think they are cheating by shooting up drugs. To me it is no different to sports people taking performance enhancing drugs.

It’s not licensed in the UK yet but it’s very easy to get hold of!

I know this isn’t the point of the thread but If you are going to mention diabetes please use the correct illness, it’s type 2 diabetes that it is used for.
It pisses me off no end when I hear folk saying it reversed their diabetes. It didn’t, it reversed their type 2 diabetes. If it reversed their Type 1 diabetes they’d be medical miracles. The harm this does to people’s understanding of Type 1 diabetes is awful.
They are 2 completely different illness, one can be reversed and one can kill you in a matter of days if you are not receiving the correct amount of insulin

There was a newspaper article about retatrutide written by Shona Sibary over a week ago Said its not licensed for use in the UK yet Shes on it

Thanks for answering my question! Unsurprisingly, I guess the inverse also applies: if someone taking eg Mounjaro for weight loss has naturally balanced blood sugars/insulin levels, does the blood sugar regulating element of the drug just make them super-duper regulated, or maybe have no effect at all? Whatever the dosage?

You don’t sound like a conspiracy theorist, you are one. 😂

You do realise gallbladder issues are common anyway with any form of weight loss? And even more so if you’re obese anyway?

Absolute game changer. Changing the way. It will be interesting to see what the obesity rates are pre and post GLPs

Yeah I was taking you seriously until you mentioned Covid jabs 😆

Sorry, you lost me when you started drawing a link with the drop off of the Covid jabs.

@canklesmctacotits usually for treating T2 diabetes, the dose of Mounjaro is kept as low as necessary to control blood sugars. If too much weight is lost then they would reduce the dose or stop treatment. There are other GLP1s that could be tried, or other medications to control blood sugar.

I have underactive thyroid, taken up to 12.5 for 2yes and lost minimal weight. Caused massive fatigue and bleeding problems. Stopped taking it and energy is through the roof!

sk didn’t work for me.

Also the majority of those of us still invited for Covid and flu jabs (immunocompromised etch still go get them. They didn’t become popular right after Covid they were in development for a long time and were finally approved.

Obesity will kill you before any side effects do in the vast vast majority of cases. Obesity is one of the most dangerous non communicable diseases in the UK and it raises risk of cancer, diabetes and CVD. The biggest killers in the UK for anyone over about 30.

9 stone down (over 2 years) and think they are worth every penny, I'm the healthiest I think I've ever been, walk at least 5k a day and dont constantly think about food!

Apparently it resets the pancreas in some way, rejuvenates it- and other parts of the body as well. It triggers a protein that makes the changes. Too technical for me to remember the details, but sounds as though we’ll eventually find it really useful for overall health.

I think you're thinking too much into it. I don't for a second think anyone is sneaking covid vaccines into weight loss jabs.

I think the jabs are very interesting. Quite a game changer for a lot of people.

I think they are amazing meds for those that need it, much better than gastric surgery.

My issue is the cost and how it will become a luxury of those that can afford it.

Totally don't get you OP on a connection between vaccination and weight-loss injections. 🤔

However, I'm in Canada and we get a lot of American tv programming with their commercials and I remember the first Ozempic ads (O-O-O-Ozempic) saying it was for diabetes with the voice-over "warnings" at the end also noting "some" users "may experience weight loss". I was all 🙄 roighttttt, not trying imply using the meds for weight loss, are you. And then it was all over the news that the medication was in short supply because, wait for it, people were getting it off script for weight loss. It wasn't long after it was approved for weight loss. 🤷‍♀️

The answers to your questions are quite easily found. For example, you say

"What I mean by this is... these jabs have been around for years for diabetic people, so why have they only just been 'released' to people despite obesity effecting the NHS for years?"

They have only recently been approved for obesity treatment because there is a process to follow to get a medication approved for a new usage. You need to do further clinical trials to show the medication is appropriate, effective and safe. You then need to submit that evidence to the regulatory authorities, the MHRA in the UK, who then spend some time analysing the evidence and then deciding on whether it's appropriate for use in the UK, who can access it and what the criteria for accessing it are. That makes it available for private prescriptions. Then the NHS need to do their own decision making process to decide if they can afford to use the medication, how to manage that and who to prioritise.

That process takes years, so it's not some conspiracy.

That leads me on to this comment

"I'd love to hear from someone educated in the medical field about whether these are actually safe for people without diabetes."

I am not a HCP or in a medical field, but I am educated... Of course they are "safe" for people without diabetes but with obesity. Safe as in any other medication is safe, so the health benefits across all the people using them will outweigh the risks. These medications are tested in clinical trials to exactly demonstrate that.

None of that has anything at all to do with Covid, which is some truly paranoid thought process.

I struggled for 6 years to lose weight! My thyroid is borderline under active but not enough to warrant medicine!
i had. Other symptoms as well as the unable to lose weight. I followed a strict diet, I went the gym, I got a PT.

I have been on the jabs (retatrutide) I’ve lost 3 stone in 6 months. My skin is healthly, I have more energy, my hair and nails are healthier. I am sleeping better. My tinnitus is manageable- after 3 years of it being debilitating.

from a vanity point of view I am wearing nice clothes, instead of hiding in leggings and baggy jumpers. I am getting on photos with my kids without wanting to cry when looking at back at them etc this has made me a happier more confident person

I have had some side effects- heartburn. Urgent need to use the toilet if I have eaten the wrong thing the day before or drank alcohol - but I knew the risks. However I would say that positives have outweighed the negatives for me and I am glad I done it

Millions workd wide are now taking them with minimal or zero side effects. Many users report improvements in many chronic inflammatory conditions plus the benefits of weight loss. They do not melt fat. They suppress appetite and slow down digestion so you eat less. That's it. Many people are deciding to stay on a low dose as a maintenance tool to prevent weight gain. Which is fine and entirely in line with other long term meds.
Many people find that habi g shifted the initial weight, they are able to exercise which helps maintain.

No idea what the covid angle is.

I have two friends who I suspect are on them. It’s made any social occasion involving food weird. It’s almost like they are guilty they are not eating.

One of them has pre-teens and it’s weird seeing her feed them but barely eating anything herself.

I think it would have affected me as a preteen to see my mother barely eat.

EDIT: that being said, both are much healthier now! One was probably obese (?) and the other overweight. One of them has taken up sport that I think they would not have done at their old weight.

Did people with diabetes use eg Mounjaro for the diabetes and find significant/meaningful weight loss was a side effect? What if the person didn’t have any weight to lose/had a low BMI? Were they prescribed something else?

Anybody who's taken them should be under supervision. Non diabetics are perfectly safe taking them and aren't any less worthy.

@Newbabynewhouse “What I mean by this is... these jabs have been around for years for diabetic people, so why have they only just been 'released' to people despite obesity effecting the NHS for years”

well, didn’t they used beta blockers for blood pressure before they use them for anxiety? They learn new things.

No idea what you’re trying to say about Covid you clearly don’t think that people are taking a monthly Covid vaccine