What do we REALLY think about the weight loss jabs?

Anyone losing weight very rapidly is liable to have gallbladder issues. It happens due to the fat moving en masse through the gallbladder. Could happen on a regular crash diet. It's not specific to the WLI.

I have a few friends who took it for a while, one started to have eyesight issues, one had terrible vomiting (enough to be hospitalised), one had regular vomiting episodes (but still wants to continue), one lost lots of hair and so stopped. I think everyone just has to weigh up the risks and see whether its worth it.

Covid jabs are entirely different and are no longer available for most people - many people were not refusing them.

As for weight loss jab - absolutely amazing. All obese people should do it if they can afford it or get it on prescription, They are life changers and minimal side effects.

2 million adults in the Uk currently take them ( including quite a lot who don’t qualify for them) so if they were going to cause serious issues we would know about it by now. Once the pills come out they will be way cheaper and it’ll probably be more like 5 million, maybe 10.

Honestly the cheating thing is weird ( as is the anger by people who qualify to get them over people who don’t getting them anyway). It does show how we’ve made weight into a moral battleground and that there are negative associations with being overweight ( ie assumptions that fat people are lazy, weak willed, greedy etc). Then we combatted that narrrative with another one that said “no they’re not but people overeat for emotional reasons and you need to address those first- you won’t lose weight unless you understand why you overeat”. Well I guess we can kick both those narratives to the kerb but they are reluctant to die.

Do you put that on dating profiles?

I wouldn’t date anyone so narrow minded, it would be good to know if they were before wasting time with them!

I mean they could be

Attractive
Financially stable
Kind
Loyal
Trustworthy

But if they have dared to take control of their health issue, then not datable.

Do you feel the same about people who use aids (patches, sprays etc), to stop smoking?

Or is your judgement just saved for fat people?

“Cheating” 🤣🤣🤣🤣

But so could entering later life with a high BMI. There's been sone really unpleasant posts on here which absolutely shine a light on the weird moral aspect of weight gain and loss. The pp who talked about the 'overweight crew banging on about a mystery reason for their inability to lose'. Well yes, the now medically recognised issues of grehlin, insulin resistance and GLP1 agonists. No longer a mystery and being treated. Why is that a moral issue? If obesity can be classed as a chronic disease it can be safely treated long-term with GLP1 just like blood pressure or whatever. If it makes the 'cheating' crew feel better, you still have to not eat as much. I still, as I'm short, have to stick to about 800 cals if I want to stand any chance of weight loss. That's pretty tough. If GLP1 makes that achievable so I can enter my 50s avoiding obesity related illness then I'll sacrifice my medal for doing it 'properly ' . The pp who likened them to performance enhancing drugs is ludicrous. Its not a competition. There is no performance to enhance.

1 of the good things is that these drugs are becoming one of the most widely researched drugs in history. Not just by doctors who would benefit from pharma support (ie endocrinologists etc), bit academics and clinical researchers across multiple medical fields.

The impact on body systems is notable. It comes down, in large part, to dampening down inflammation.

If there are lawsuits I would imagine it would be about how they were told to take them, or hour much they were prescribed. And at this stage they've been prescribed for maybe 15 years, starting with people who had serious co-morbidities.

Side effects are already well known, and therefore we know what to look out for. Doesn't mean a problem won't ever arise, but at the moment anyway, the physical benefits of using it far outweigh any issues. Edited: The impact of obesity on health services will start reducing once the drugs are out of patent, which from a purely economic pov is another bonus for all of us.

Covid vaccines are offered to people over 75 or those immunocompromised, if they wanted more people to have the Covid vaccine surely they would just open up the eligibility for others? Your conspiracy theory is way off!

As for the jabs, game changer!

I am not a user of them, but wouldn't write them off entirely.

I think in some ways they have been very validating for people who have really struggled with weight for years. I've never been more than a couple of kilos into that BMI but it takes a lot of activity and food management to keep me at a "healthy" weight. I'm glad that people can access them.

On the other hand, I worry about the issues with muscle and bone density loss, and people needing to stay on them indefinitely. Muscle and bone density are already well below where they should be for a lot of women, and the jabs only make this worse. A lot of folks on them are enjoying the weight loss and not making time for resistance exercise to build up muscle and bone reserves.

This could lead to a lot of problems down the line.

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Yes, I have had pancreatitis before and it is one of the most painful things I have ever experienced (and I have had lots of medical issues over the years!). Knowing my luck it would likely trigger the pancreas being rather unhappy if I did start on the injections! Not something I would ideally want to risk but the prospect of finally being able to lose some weight that is not budging is really rather tempting... I need to have a look into the figures of pancreas-related issues. I know it is meant to be really common but curious now

I'm the same... I just cannot seem to shift any weight at all and I am at my heaviest. My weight has always gone up-and-down over the years but now I'm older, I just cannot seem to lose it at all. I have tried so much to try and lose some but it isn't seeming to work. Very disheartening.

Pretty much all of the side effects people have seen are side effects of losing a lot of weight very quickly and in a less safe fashion. Someone who has an unhealthy relationship with food, binge eats and doesn’t exercise, then goes on the jab and suddenly stops eating (extremely example) and loses an extraordinary amount of weight in a short time will obvious have adverse health issues.

Someone who takes the jab, follows the advice to eat a balanced diet, up their protein and fibre and most importantly, increase their physical activity and incorporate resistance training to gain and preserve muscle mass will have a vastly different and much safer outcome.

To consider mounjaro or ozempic “cheating” is to sit on a fabricated moral high ground where fatness is a moral failing of lack of self control, and being thin makes you better because you have self control. The idea that someone can overcome their brain chemistry to reduce their weight and inflammation feels unfair to some delusional people who like to feel superior because of their body size.

I say this as someone who is not overweight but has struggled with ED on and off my entire life. I think the potential side effects of a jab are better than dying of obesity, especially when countless nurses and doctors are in favour and often take it themselves.

It’s a bit like looking down on women who have a c section. Maybe it’s none of our business and we should let people make medical decisions for themselves. And if you’re naturally a size 6 and pushed 7 babies out without even using gas and air then congrats, you win at life, your prize is nothing.

I was on Saxenda three years before Covid so your conspiracy theory doesn’t work.

Yes, @Newbabynewhouse could you clarify your suggestion?

I'd love to hear from someone educated in the medical field about whether these are actually safe for people without diabetes

Well, since there have been jabs approved for the weight loss indication by the EU and USA authorities (plus lots of others including UK), you are in luck! Those authorities- EMA, FDA, MHRA etc, have people with the scientific and medical expertise to evaluate the full data, which is not available to the good folk of Mumsnet, and they produce extremely detailed and comprehensive evaluation reports which are publicly available. So, if you do really want to hear from people ‘educated in the field’ then that’s what you would be reading versus asking a bunch of randoms on Mumsnet (with the obvious intention of creating a shitshow discussion).

I’d be scared of getting acute pancreatitis which is a known side effect. I wouldn’t ever take them as I have a history of pancreatitis from gallstone damage and have had half my pancreas removed. Nothing more painful than acute pancreatitis and i’d never take something with that on side effect list. I can’t even express how painful my attacks were, absolutely horrific and no painkiller touched it really. Of course you can get it without taking jabs, and it’s probably low risk but just wouldn’t be worth the risk for me.

I work in healthcare and I think they are great. So many people have had diabetes reversed among other things. Who cares if it's cheating?
And the side efffects are not as bad as being hugely overweight i reckon.

I've been thinking similar, something just isn't sitting right with me

YANBU - I bet 20 years from now there'll be a slew of compensation lawsuits for unexpected consequences of the jab.

YABU - your 'covid jabs by stealth' suggestion is preposterous.

You could try asking your own GP, you know a medical professional that knows about these things instead of mumsnet

I have no skin in the game. I've never taken then and don't need them.

I know three people who are on them and they are working well for them. I don't consider it 'cheating'

The way I see it, it must be really demoralising to feel you have a lot of weight yo lose, lose a couple of stone, not really see much of a difference and know you still have a way to go without really knowing how successful you'll be. If WLI make it feel easier or help in any way then thats great.

The people I know who take them have completely changed the way they eat/see food and their understanding of the impact of eg UPFs/sugar on their body/metabolism/food noise and are hoping to not need the drugs to maintain when they've reached their goal weight, which is a huge change for them.

I don't understand the covid reference.

Some are coming off patent so hopefully they’ll reduce in price soon.

You’re significantly shrinking your dating pool. Some medical drs are taking them, ppl with heart disease, kidney disease, inflammation are taking them (independently of weight loss).

'Fair', 'cheating', 'notworthy'

Is all really interesting language about the medication someone is using.

Do these judgements apply to other medications? Or just those used to treat obesity?