What do we REALLY think about the weight loss jabs?

Sorry I don't know what you mean here. Every society that gets enough resources to feed all the population as much as they want for whole lifetimes starts seeing rising obesity rates sooner or later. Even Japan is climbing, albeit from a low starting rate. And they smoke much more than we do.

Not all countries have increasing obesity rated because not all of them can offer their populations constant access to more food than they need for their whole lives. It's only in colder countries that people used to need lots of calories to stay warm, yes. Some countries with climbing obesity rates have never had populations who burned calories keeping warm in the cold.

You know how PCOS has just been renamed? There's a lot of research into metabolic syndrome/insulin resistance now.
Considering how much it costs, I doubt they're trying to disguise Covid jabs, which don't seem to be given even to certain workers now (we get flu jabs and about 4 years ago, Covid but haven't been offered this for years).

Sure I will answer, i already did uo thread, it was Peri caused a huge spike in cortisol which caused weight gain, which then caused high blood pressure rhey couldn’t control I was on max dosage of 2 bp drugs, and sleep apnea and insulin resistance

im now 6 and a half stone down, down from a bmi 32 to 20, dress size 18 to 8, maintaining for over 18 months, I feel great.

i am staying on because i know that it’s not just about knowing what to do, it’s doing it, and i dont want to live my life with the mental struggle of constantly being hungry and deprived, as at some point, i cant keep doing that and i shall regain.

I also want the health benefits mounjaro brings, so we now know its improved cardio vascular health, improved fatty liver, it slows, stops or reverses ageing in our internal organs, as they are able to regenerate as the inflammation goes, and significantly reduces a number of cancers. This is on top of controlling blood sugar and ensuring optimal insulin resistance.

so for preventative maintence I am staying on and I can honestly say my quality of life, is much better for it.

again though, everyone is free to make their own choices. This is mine.

I don’t think obesity can be solved overnight. We have far too lax regulation on food, kids that don’t know how to cook, a surprising amount of food deserts, alcohol on demand, poor public transport in many areas so people drive more and walk or cycle less (even to trains or buses). Data on obesity among children shows that black and south Asian children are less likely to be obese, which appears to be linked to eating home cooked food. There’s a lot that could be improved. WLIs are part of the solution for some people, for sure. But at the moment we’re waiting for people to become obese or pre-diabetic, and then providing drugs to reverse it. That’s insane! Any progressive nation should be trying to prevent ill health, not mitigate it after the fact. Imagine if the cure for lung cancer became available and we encouraged everyone to start smoking and using asbestos because not to worry, we can fix you now.

It’s nice to not have to battle with your self control regarding food every day

@musicandmenwhere have your got Retratrutide from?

There's no 'must' with hormonal contraception in person, I assure you! I've been given months worth of it based on my unverified and remote say so. I think blood pressure procedures must vary, but there's the complicating factor of white coat syndrome there too. There does have to be some facility for people to self report because of that.

I used to be surprised, but have stopped being, that people have so little idea how common self-reporting and remote consultations are in health care systems and don't check before advocating reform. I'm also not surprised that people don't want to engage with the resource constraints. Because it's one thing highlighting risks, but there isn't a magic appointment tree either.

On the point about not stopping people becoming obese, WLIs are for treating existing problems. They're not going to stop them from happening in advance, but that's true of a lot of medication.

I wonder if there's going to be many more benefits to WLIs we don't yet know about....

I too eat a clean and healthy diet, with healthy portion sizes
I don’t drink
I drink plenty of water
I walk my dog and exercise using weights at home
Being committed to lose weight and a calorie controlled diet helped me lose some weight, but not enough, certainly I am not slim but it’s probably my limit.@
I still have the same appetite as when I was obese, I just fight and control it (for now)
It is exhausting and relentless
Again, whether to use them or not is not a choice available to all me included.

I am not going to talk about medicating children, but the evidence of the lack of satiety is in the sheer fact two thirds of the population are over weight or obese. And the drugs are very successful. There is no other conclusion which can be drawn,

look, the drugs aren’t going away, there are more and more coming to market. Whatever your personal issue, be it religious or a fear of medication. Don’t worry, you don’t need to take them ever. It’s a personal choice. There is no medication any one will ever force you to take. You can be fat, thin, you can have signficant illnesses, diseases, and no one will force you to take medication

most 0f society wants medication and applauds medical science. You don’t. And that’s ok.

Of course you can make any choices you wish. If you know how to eat healthy, great. How did you become obese, and why stay on WLIs forever if you know what to do? It seems odd to me that anyone would put a drug in their body for longer than necessary. Obviously you think it’s necessary for life but I’m curious why.

UK is 73rd on the list of countries with most obese people per capita. How do the other 120 odd countries manage, since smoking and poor heating are not universally common around the world?

That’s impressive and glad the jabs worked for you. I hope you’ve been able to deal with the issues of why you got obese in the first place so you can continue to enjoy life.

How would you solve rhe obesity issue then,

and you can see a doctor if you wish, plenty of service providers offer this, Personally I don’t need to see a doctor, why would I, I know how to eat healthy, I’m not an idiot and it’s no secret. I know about the macros, and weight lifting and the importance of water, and I get annual blood tests as gaining weight had made me so ill, so I also know I’m very healthy, as does my gp,

so I don’t need to go and waste their time, I don’t need a parent to over see me. I’m an educated adult woman making a decision for her health.

The drugs work because they create satiety, more or less. But what is the evidence that all obese people have a disorder that means their body doesn’t produce sufficient satiety signals? Because that’s really what you’re saying, that it’s biological, not social or behavioural. And if that’s what the evidence says, shouldn’t we give WLIs to children who exhibit the same biological traits?

I think it doesn’t deal with the root issue. The country is saturated with junk food and sugar everywhere you go.

Exactly, we are already seeing more healthy products hit the shelves, protein is a key example. A move away from the typically fatty or sugary foods,

and nearly everyone on them gets them privately. The nhs is aiming for 200k people within 3 years, the uk has 7 million on them now, 22 million eligible.

the price will become cheaper as mor and more come to market, America has already seen its obesity rates start to reverse, and of course with it, comes a much healthier food offering to meet demand.

it is not a case of take the drugs and eat crap, it’s the opposite, take them and eat healthy, whuch drives a societal change we are already seeing.

The thing is, there's no evidence there's any way to make already obese people not obese aside from ongoing WLI use. The people who think it would be possible to redesign society so populations with access to enough food for whole lifetimes don't get fat without lots of them being on appetite suppressants are just guessing. Some of them think because it happened for a few decades in the mid 20th century when more people smoked and heating was worse, that means we could recreate it now.

I was thinking maybe contraception, yes could be. Though potentially serious side effects of hormonal contraception so there must be some in person element too.

My experience of blood pressure is that you provide readings then see the doc in person for testing. Might vary across the country.

Of course people can always lie about symptoms in person too, you’re right. I’m just surprised that people are comfortable with long term use of any drug without seeing a doctor at least periodically.

The energy from some in the thread feels like the food addiction has been replaced with WLI addiction. It’s not stopping people - including children - becoming obese and symptomatic, just solving the problem years later. I wonder if the long term costs of obesity will be outpaced/compounded by the long term costs of WLIs.

Yes you got it, everyone can lose weight, but 80 percent regain. You’re fighting your bodies biology, and no matter how determined, for most people the cravings and hunger become too much and you slip back.

we can push through on the drugs, eat more than we should, the fact we don’t, shows this isn’t about greed or laziness, it’s much more complex. When our biology is under control, our insulin optimal, our blood sugar under control, we are able to do what we need to, to maintain. If it was just greed, lack of knowledge, the drugs wouldn’t work. As said, because you can push through.

@Allisnotlost1 it's not an either or. Clearly there needs to be social shift away from obesogenic environments, that's well known and accepted as a goal. Progress towards that is glacial because when it comes down to it people want convenience and ease rather than making an environment better for health and fitness. People who are obese now can't wait for the glacial pace of change to have an impact on their own individual weight. So we can use an effective tool to make an massive difference for us, now.

Obesity is not an immediately life threatening condition, however it will certainly impact your health and longevity which is why medication to address it is absolutely appropriate.

What if NHS funding for it ceases? Then it won't be available on the NHS. They are not widely available at the moment for weight loss alone, so it's small numbers in terms of the numbers of people on WLI.

Or private prescriptions become more expensive? They already have, it's not great and it pushes some people towards less effective medication that's cheaper, to stopping taking it or some people may turn towards illegal black market medication. I think it's a risk that anyone deciding to pay for it themselves is well aware of. In the medium term though there will be generics available which will reduce the cost significantly. This is the same for any new medication though.

Shame!

Again I can onlh speak for myself

I eat a clean and healthy diet, with healthy portion sizes
I drink minimal alcohol
I drink 3 litres of water a day
I work out 5 days a week

the drugs enable me to do this.

I honestly don't know - I do feel my attitude and mindset towards food have changed, and that I'm remembering now how much better and more rewarding it feels to be healthier. And I am making food choices based around real nutrition, e.g. prioritising proteins etc. But I won't know if any of that is 'real' until I hit my goal and try to wean myself off - it might be that I can maintain, but considering the mess I was in before I doubt I will be able to go it alone!

However I am now weight training and walking more so hopefully that is something I can keep up and stay committed to. I absolutely LOVE the gym and feel more excited if the magic machine tells me my muscle mass has increased than I do when I lose a pound =D

well I don’t I’m all for medication to treat diseases and health conditions, be it for heart disease on.

is it religious for you? I know for example some religions don’t like meds, is it Scientologists or jehovahs witnesses?

but for me, yes I’m all for medication to get the population healthy. We spend billions on obesity related illnesses, from cancer on, so for me it’s exactly what it is, a huge advancement in medical science.

but if it’s not religious for you, maybe you don’t need it, and are slim and healthy, lucky you. But 2 thirds of the population is not.

Most pp seem to be saying they’ll stay on for life? Or are staying on because it stops them feeling ‘deprived’, or stops them having a drink every day. What good habits do you think they’ve gained, or could?