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Would I be unreasonable to stop toddler overnights with dad and nan?

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justhereokay · 19/09/2026 23:44

I need some outside perspective because I genuinely can’t tell anymore if I’m being nitpicky.

My dd is 20 months and stays overnight at her paternal nans. Her dad has MS and significant mobility difficulties, so I completely understand him needing his mum’s help and have never had an issue with that. He doesn’t stay there overnight himself, so his mum does the overnight care and he comes back the next day. She does most of the physical things.

Over the past 6 months there’s just been a buildup of things: she’s fallen off the sofa and bruised her head after he left her in the living room, come back sunburnt, had her car-seat straps left really loose despite being reminded multiple times, and once came back with a deep scratch on her leg that they couldn’t explain. I said maybe the dog did it by accident ( it looked a lot like a claw mark), but they wouldn’t accept it as a possibility. She’s come back wet through with wee before because her dad said he hadn’t had a chance to change her while they were at the park, and on multiple occasions she’s come home with small amounts poo still on her bum after being changed. She was taken to softplay where she wasnt appropriately dressed ( nappy on full display and bare foot), and once I was sent a video of her running in an open field with cows literally a couple metres away (nan and dad were close to her though). I’ve raised some things before and they’ll be addressed, but then something different seems to happen. Or other times it seems her dad just doesn’t see the problem or risk. When I said about being close to cows he said “ fine I’ll just never take her there again”. And it was a lot of back and forth when I said baby/toddler should not be unsupervised/alone around his dog.

Today his mum actually sent me a video where dd nearly fell backwards off a climbing-frame platform onto the hard floor. She was sitting right on the edge with the drop behind her, started going backwards and managed to grab something and pull herself forward. Her nan was in front of her filming.

I also rang her dad to video call dd assuming he’s with her, but he hadn’t gone over there yet, because he thought she may be napping. I feel he doesn’t take any authority as her dad or understand her routine, double checking safety such as the car seat. I’m not sure if it’s a regular occurrence, missing most of the contact day.

I KNOW toddlers fall, get bruises and accidents happen. Anyone of these things in isolation probably wouldn’t make me change anything. It’s the fact there always seems to be something new, even after I’ve raised previous concerns, and the stays are now causing me a lot of anxiety.

I don’t think another reminder will fix the lack of common sense or situation/risk awareness. I know it’s harsh, but I’m thinking about my child. They both love her, make an effort for her and I have a good relationship with the both of them.

I’m thinking of stopping overnights at nans for now and having a conversation about everything. How do I approach this?

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1coconut2coconut3coconut4 · 23/09/2026 12:32

I think go with your plan. Explain it's not about him but about his mum, and that you don't want to stop the two of them seeing her but just have a different set up. If he is ok with it hopefully fine.

I am quite shocked by all the people saying you are overreacting and it is all fine. No way would I let my child be put at risk. Imagine uf you ignored your instincts and the worst happened?

croydon15 · 21/09/2026 22:55

justhereokay · 20/09/2026 08:38

He sees her here during the week, where most of the contact happens anyway. I would just change the overnight at his mums to here, where his mum is also welcome to come.

This may be the best solution OP.

ComfortablyUneventful · 20/09/2026 18:45

justhereokay · 20/09/2026 08:30

Yes I have raised things with her.

he usually comes 2x a week here anyway, and spends most of the day with her. I step in when necessary, he can’t carry her or lift her into highchair etc. But it’s all absolutely fine. I also nip out for the school run, to the shop and he manages ok I have zero concern.

I was thinking of making the overnight stay an extra visit here instead for the day, where his mum can come too.

His mum might prefer that option anyway.

stichguru · 20/09/2026 16:59

I think you need to have a chat with Dad first. He may see that things aren't great with his mum but what choice does he have? Like unless he can afford to pay a carer for the time he is with his child, his mum maybe the only support he has. Maybe just say you've noticed a few things that concern you and you are thinking his mum maybe struggling, what can you do to help? If he is defensive then obviously you may need to take things further for your child's safety, but maybe Dad would welcome the help.

sunshine244 · 20/09/2026 16:31

Tryagain26 · 20/09/2026 16:12

But most of the time the dad isn't even there and he isn't looking after the child. Surely the court would take that into account?

These things always depend upon the established circumstances at the time of court. With a preference towards shared contact wherever possible.

In this situation shared contact has already been agreed between parties. The dad facilitates his weekend contact including support from his mum. It is his choice who looks after his child during his established contact time.

My ex works away and often leaves our child with grandparents, or makes them sit on their own watching conferences, going to trade shows etc. I know our chidl would rather be with me but legally its his choice.

Tryagain26 · 20/09/2026 16:12

sunshine244 · 20/09/2026 15:50

This is not how a court would see the situation.

He has chosen for his mum to look after the child overnight during his contact time. A court wouldn't change this without exceptionally good reason.

It is a parents right to do whatever they want with a child during their contact. This could be staying with friends or relatives, childcare, holiday club etc.

It's not that his mum has contact. His mum is looking after the child during dad's contact due to disability. That's not the same thing at all.

But most of the time the dad isn't even there and he isn't looking after the child. Surely the court would take that into account?

sunshine244 · 20/09/2026 15:50

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 20/09/2026 14:51

Ps you can stop overnights with grandma anytime you like for any reason and can’t be criticized by him or court as dad isn’t even there

This is not how a court would see the situation.

He has chosen for his mum to look after the child overnight during his contact time. A court wouldn't change this without exceptionally good reason.

It is a parents right to do whatever they want with a child during their contact. This could be staying with friends or relatives, childcare, holiday club etc.

It's not that his mum has contact. His mum is looking after the child during dad's contact due to disability. That's not the same thing at all.

Babyboomtastic · 20/09/2026 15:47

PinkEasterbunny · 20/09/2026 15:44

This is what I was thinking - there is simply no point to this, and the grandmother has no legal right to access

Agreed. But it's not the grandmother's acres time. It's the disabled father's access time, where he chooses to engage help from his mum. Clearly the dad does see his child during those weekends, just not for the overnight segment - because he can't.

It's important for him to forge a relationship with his child without supervision from his ex.

PinkEasterbunny · 20/09/2026 15:44

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 20/09/2026 14:51

Ps you can stop overnights with grandma anytime you like for any reason and can’t be criticized by him or court as dad isn’t even there

This is what I was thinking - there is simply no point to this, and the grandmother has no legal right to access

Babyboomtastic · 20/09/2026 15:07

justhereokay · 20/09/2026 14:22

Huh? I don’t dictate what support he has, or that he can’t do it. He does have time and as I said multiple times, I don’t sit over his shoulder, I step in when he asks for lifting her, moving her to another room, making her food etc. There’s nobody else because his mum works in the day.

this has been the arrangement for a long time which is mutually agreed and works for everyone. He does this around 12 hours a the week and then another day where dd is at his mums and she is doing most of the childcare.

as I’ve also stated before, we are all on good terms, get along very well and all enjoy the arrangement. He gets quality time with her and he knows I’m there if he needs it. So it’s not some bitter control issue. It’s his mum who I am not comfortable with having sole responsibility 30 minutes away from me, for her safety. We are also on good terms and always have been. Nothing about this is personal.

Of course you are dictating the support he has. He has arranged to get support from his mum on the overnight (in that he sees her with his mum doing a lot of the caring and she does the overnight).

Childcare and support during his time is solely his call. Whilst he uses his mum, it could be a friend, it could be paid help, it could be a new partner. It's his call, not yours.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 20/09/2026 14:51

Ps you can stop overnights with grandma anytime you like for any reason and can’t be criticized by him or court as dad isn’t even there

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 20/09/2026 14:47

I would say
’there are lots of things you and your mum have send me during your time out in the community where you’ve shown me things that are not safe and place her at risk of serious injury, unfortunately this has not got better it’s got worse. For her safety i need to stop leaving her in your care in non child safe places - I will faciiiatw you spending time together and child centred dog free
comminyty locations eg soft play and library until we have had a chance to sort out the safety aspect of things, eg via mediation. If you don’t agree to keep her in these safe locations, then I’ll need to insist on contact centre only .’ Then offer times for contact. This will show if he takes this to court that you’ve been promoting their relationship as long as it’s safe.

Whyherewego · 20/09/2026 14:42

justhereokay · 20/09/2026 14:22

Huh? I don’t dictate what support he has, or that he can’t do it. He does have time and as I said multiple times, I don’t sit over his shoulder, I step in when he asks for lifting her, moving her to another room, making her food etc. There’s nobody else because his mum works in the day.

this has been the arrangement for a long time which is mutually agreed and works for everyone. He does this around 12 hours a the week and then another day where dd is at his mums and she is doing most of the childcare.

as I’ve also stated before, we are all on good terms, get along very well and all enjoy the arrangement. He gets quality time with her and he knows I’m there if he needs it. So it’s not some bitter control issue. It’s his mum who I am not comfortable with having sole responsibility 30 minutes away from me, for her safety. We are also on good terms and always have been. Nothing about this is personal.

Yes I understand from your point of view. But that is not how a court will see it.
So you can suggest it but he doesn't have to agree to it. If he doesn't agree then you will have little option. As PP have said, the bar is quite high here and he's trying to facilitate the contact with his mum's assistance and a court will not see this list of things as sufficiently serious. Especially as for some of them he's already agree to adjust.

Ladyfromthehill · 20/09/2026 14:38

Mumtotornadoes · 20/09/2026 08:29

It sounds careless but neither neglectful nor abusive. It wouldn't be enough to get your children taken off you would it.

I think you may find being careless can be and often is neglectful.

justhereokay · 20/09/2026 14:22

Babyboomtastic · 20/09/2026 12:39

Physical disability he can't be alone with his child, having some time with his child without his ex present is probably quite important.

I understand your frustration at some of the issues that I don't think it is bad enough to stop the access that he has. To say all access must be done with you supervising at your house, feels very controlling. As an equal parent, it's up to him to choose who assists him because of a physical disability, not you. This feels a lot like disability discrimination tbh.

Huh? I don’t dictate what support he has, or that he can’t do it. He does have time and as I said multiple times, I don’t sit over his shoulder, I step in when he asks for lifting her, moving her to another room, making her food etc. There’s nobody else because his mum works in the day.

this has been the arrangement for a long time which is mutually agreed and works for everyone. He does this around 12 hours a the week and then another day where dd is at his mums and she is doing most of the childcare.

as I’ve also stated before, we are all on good terms, get along very well and all enjoy the arrangement. He gets quality time with her and he knows I’m there if he needs it. So it’s not some bitter control issue. It’s his mum who I am not comfortable with having sole responsibility 30 minutes away from me, for her safety. We are also on good terms and always have been. Nothing about this is personal.

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Hroudi · 20/09/2026 13:55

I would suggest the change to dad and see what he says. It sounds like it may not actually make a huge difference to him? The grandmother has no right to contact really.

Passaggressfedup · 20/09/2026 13:50

But the overnight is at the grandparents home and the father isn't even there so surely a court wouldn't order that should continue as it isn't actually contact with the father
He is free to leave his child with whomever he wants when it's his contact time. In his case, he has a very good reason to do so. He might just go home to sleep because there isn't a good bed for him at his parents and good quality sleep is even more important for people with MS to have the right energy during the day so in all likelihood, the court would say he is being very responsible.

sunshine244 · 20/09/2026 13:19

He doesn't have supervised contact, it's semi supported contact. He is able to be alone with his child. You can't on one hand say he needs supervised contact, but on the other say you'll leave him for the school run etc. Either he is a risk or he isnt.

I've been through years of court with an abusive ex. They didn't care at all about far more serious issues. If you went to court it could go against you quite badly.

Some of these incidents do need addressed - mainly the carseat straps. But it sounds like you are struggling with lack of control over the situation. Ultimately that's what happens when a family seperates. Some counseling might help you rationalise it all a bit. Some of what you think are incidents are just normal parenting differences. My kids have been in fields with cows, and unless there's calves or bulls its not an issue.

Babyboomtastic · 20/09/2026 12:39

Physical disability he can't be alone with his child, having some time with his child without his ex present is probably quite important.

I understand your frustration at some of the issues that I don't think it is bad enough to stop the access that he has. To say all access must be done with you supervising at your house, feels very controlling. As an equal parent, it's up to him to choose who assists him because of a physical disability, not you. This feels a lot like disability discrimination tbh.

Bearbookagainandagain · 20/09/2026 12:23

I can understand the frustration with the accumulation of the little things, but ultimately most of what you describe are little issues to me.

A 20 months old falling is almost unavoidable, and a sofa isn't that high for a toddler. My 1 year old was already climbing up the window seal!
You don't actually know whether the dog scratched her. I think it would be difficult to tell apart a scratch from a branch to a scratch from a dog really.
The nappy changes can happen. As long as she doesn't develop nappy rashes, it's not a big deal. Same for the clothing at soft play. The sunburn was a 1 off...

You don't need to correct every little things so it's all perfect, just focus on the safety elements. They should know how the scratch happen, make sure she's safe at heights, strap her car seat properly, be mindful around animals, etc.

Tryagain26 · 20/09/2026 11:57

BrummieKara · 20/09/2026 01:57

What's your alternative proposition if they're not doing nights, because most of the issues you raise happened in the daytime so I don't see what difference it make if she stays overnight or not? Is it court ordered contact in which case you probably don't have enough here to stop contact and should tread carefully?

Some of the things you mention are more problematic than others. The dog, sunburn and car straps are issues that need addressing. Everything else is sub optimal but the kind of thing you have to let go of as a coparent.

Also your child won't be a toddler forever, so it might be more helpful to say no overnights until a certain point e.g. school age.

If he goes to court to challenge you then based on what you've said he'd likely get contact reinstated, it's not going to be deemed bad enough in court to justify restrictions on contact.

But the overnight is at the grandparents home and the father isn't even there so surely a court wouldn't order that should continue as it isn't actually contact with the father

justhereokay · 20/09/2026 11:55

WhatNoRaisins · 20/09/2026 11:51

At 20 months she should be ready for potty training soon. I'd be tempted to make a start on that in the next few months as it sounds like nappies are an issue here.

We have been working on potty training for a while.

someone would still need to wipe her if she does a poop.

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Ooohaaahjustalittlebit · 20/09/2026 11:54

I don't disagree that I would hate to see these things happening to my child (although I can't imagine getting upset about a toddler having bare feet or nappy on display)

But sadly in the real world the court sets an incredibly low bar for the quality of parenting that allows dad unsupervised access.

WhatNoRaisins · 20/09/2026 11:51

At 20 months she should be ready for potty training soon. I'd be tempted to make a start on that in the next few months as it sounds like nappies are an issue here.

justhereokay · 20/09/2026 11:49

Mumtotornadoes · 20/09/2026 11:35

No I understand I do, but you're wanting to stop unsupervised visits. The bar for a parent not being allowed unsupervised access to their children is very very high. And actually, it is still a supervised visit, his mum is supervising, so the bar would be even higher. For reference, my ex has threatened to kill my son, is a domestic abuser to multiple women and has been accused of being a paedophile by multiple people, the court has deemed him not enough of a risk to need any form of supervision. Men that have been in prison for child abuse are given unsupervised access to their children. Mothers have been told to leave men or lose their children then those same men are given unsupervised access to those same children.

You have concerns, he's not a perfect parent, but he's not even a bad parent really. If he agrees to the change then that's fine. But you absolutely wouldn't be able to force it and you don't really have any grounds to. A kid leaking through their nappy and falling over, or nearly falling over are normal occursnces

Maybe I’m not understanding. He has a physical disability, he has never been unsupervised or unassisted caring for his daughter completely alone for more than an hour. This is not his fault, it’s because he cannot lift her, move around quickly and gets fatigued. I haven’t decided this, he asks for help when needed. This is why all contact is supported by me or his mum. I’m worried about his mum mostly. She does most of the childcare when dd is at her house and most of the concerns are from her doing.

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