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AIBU to see the government vote against assisted Dying, as preventing personal choice in how we might want to die?

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WestisBestt · 19/09/2026 19:17

AIBU to think that the recent parliamentary vote against assisted Dying is a terrible indictment on freedom of choice?

I'm not sorry to say that I won't be sad if those who voted against AD, end up wanting it for their own needs at some point in future.

Again the poorest of people will suffer the most as they can't afford to go to Switzerland. Wealthier people can, if they are able to, and if they choose to.

Just another form state control over our lives - and indeed deaths. What about personal choice?

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Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 21/09/2026 12:42

DoTreadCarefully · 19/09/2026 19:28

I'm not sorry to say that I won't be sad if those who voted against AD, end up wanting it for their own needs at some point in future.

The very fact that not everyone has good intentions towards all their fellow humans is one of the reasons it was right that this bill was defeated.

That you are wishing painful, unpleasant illnesses and a desire for suicide on people because they came to a different conclusion from you about a complex and far-reaching ethical decision really does not speak well of you.

What sort of person wishes this on another human?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 21/09/2026 12:54

AD is 'just' another treatment protocol that needs good Governance, not it's own seperate special status

Respectfully, I have to disagree, @Periperi2025

You're quite right that any number of drugs and surgeries can bring about death, but that's not their primary intention in other cases - except for such as Shipman of course, and thankfully we already have the protocols for dealing with things like this (albeit a bit late, and where were the "Prescription police" then?)

You're right again, though, about the need for rigorous governance overall, and for me we're nowhere near enough to that for the AD measure to be introduced at this stage

TotaleclipseinFrance · 21/09/2026 13:35

WestisBestt · 21/09/2026 10:51

And do what?
If one is mobile and able
Jump in front of a train?
Jump over a bridge onto the motorway?
Jump off a cliff?
And so traumatise - and /or endanger - many others? Have you ever talked to a train driver who smashed into a person who was committing suicide? Have you been there through the following years of therapy, time off work through trauma? How about the emergency services who have to clear up body parts?

Or take an overdose of pills and
leave an unsuspecting relative to find your dead body (having vomited / pissed and shit yourself)
leave hotel workers to find your dead body and clear up?

That's if the pills work. If really lucky the person might not die, and might wake up paralysed and or brain damaged.

Your lack of empathy or understanding is astounding. But typical.

Edited

I don't give a toss to be honest. I've picked a side.

I've had enough of people expecting the state to take care of everything for them.

You and others who are pro - AD already have the choice of suicide. It's not a crime.
Work it out yourself in a way that causes minimum harm to others.

I don't wish anybody to reach this point, nevertheless, with a bit of research suicide can be carried out effectively.

I do not judge anybody for taking their own life, I also advocate leniency for those who I believe have actually put their money where their mouth is and helped a loved one in extreme pain die and not expected anybody else to do the nasty job for them.

I applaud their lack of selfishness.

I'm not the moral police and am an atheist.

Frankly, though, don't drag anybody else into it.

You're right about the train drivers.
Funny how you care about the traumatised train driver not the medical staff who will also undergo trauma through outright klliing of another human, though. Fuck 'em, eh?

WestisBestt · 21/09/2026 15:24

'I don't give a toss to be honest. I've picked a side.' @TotaleclipseinFrance

I see.

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TotaleclipseinFrance · 21/09/2026 16:14

WestisBestt · 21/09/2026 15:24

'I don't give a toss to be honest. I've picked a side.' @TotaleclipseinFrance

I see.

I see you haven't bothered commenting on the rest of my post.

This is not a public speaking debate, what you've quoted here is not a gotcha- others can read the rest of my post if they wish.

I am going to be very blunt now: if people want to commit suicide the onus is on them to find a way.

Them and them alone.

If they've got family members who'll assist as an act of mercy, fine.
I sincerely hope compassion and leniency is shown if the CPS get involved.

But it is not the state's place to assist that suicide and nor should anybody have this sword of Damocles of AD hanging over them.

I make no judgement on it from a moral perspective, nor a religious one as I am an atheist, I'm not putting up with having the fucking government having any little chink of light that sneakily allows them to kill others, though.

I have zero faith in them to get this right. Zero.
As Jordan Peterson pointed out, they can't even get the trains to arrive on time.

Partingofthewaves · 21/09/2026 18:07

Periperi2025 · 21/09/2026 11:11

I have, I think OP has.

I think you misunderstand.

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