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Was I the asshole?

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BadLayout · 19/09/2026 17:53

I’m on holiday in a European country.

Stopped at a tourist site that’s free to enter, and open air (so not a museum etc.).
The site contains a number of items of interest- let’s say they’re sculptures.

Lots of tourists wandering around, going from sculpture to sculpture, taking photos etc.

I got to a particular sculpture which is quite large and round and there weren’t many people at it. I was looking at it for a few second. Spotted a man at the other side of the sculpture waving at me. I cocked my head towards him to see what he wanted and he gestured to show that he wanted to take a photo but wanted me to move out of the way (literally flapped his wrist in a “shoo” motion and pointed to where I should stand instead) so I wouldn’t be in the way. I said it’s fine, I don’t mind if I’m in the background, and he said he wanted me to move because he just wanted a photo of the sculpture without anyone in it.

I laughed and stayed where I was until I was ready to move away and see the next sculpture.

He got very irate when I wouldn’t move, and started gesturing in quite an animated way for me to move out of his frame.

Interestingly, just as I was leaving, another man came along and the first man didn’t ask him to move at all.

Was IBU? Because I think that, if you’re a tourist amongst tourists at a busy sightseeing spot, you don’t get to dictate where people can and cannot stand.

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Cosimarocks · 22/09/2026 11:12

Would it have been a nice gesture to move out of the way for a moment, if asked nicely? Yes.

Was it reasonable that you didn’t when someone started rudely flapping their arms at you?
Also, yes.

He was rude and you did the right thing.

lavendersweetly · 21/09/2026 18:12

FudgeFudy · 21/09/2026 14:01

All of this. I'm honestly amazed at how many people are saying that you should have moved at the request of somebody (a man no less), who was being a bit of a dick about it. A classic case of 'The OP is always wrong'. If 'it would cost the OP nothing to move for ten seconds' then it would equally cost nothing for the impatient tosser to wait.

100%

Someone else's preoccupation with taking a fucking photo of every single thing they see isn't my problem. I wouldn't be moving an inch😅

WutheringTights · 21/09/2026 14:07

I wouldn’t have moved. The art is there to be looked at using your eyes, which are a million times better than an iPhone camera. If they want a photo with no one else in it then there will be better ones available online. Otherwise you get to the ridiculous position like at the Mona Lisa where no one can actually see the art because ether are so many people taking (crap) photos of it. Look, move on, download a picture from Wikipedia.

FudgeFudy · 21/09/2026 14:01

lavendersweetly · 21/09/2026 12:34

Could you have moved immediately? Yes.
Should you have had to? Fuck no.
Are you an asshole for that? Absolutely not.

You have as much of a right to be standing somewhere or looking at something at your leisure just as much as anyone else does.
I understand wanting to get a photo of something, but that doesn't mean that you're therefore allowed to order people to move at the drop of a hat.
For most normal people, if they're trying to get a photo of a monument or sculpture, they would simply wait until most people had moved out of the frame rather than shooing people away.

IMO, you did the right thing, OP. I'd have stayed firmly where I was until I was prepared to move in my own time and not a moment sooner 😂

All of this. I'm honestly amazed at how many people are saying that you should have moved at the request of somebody (a man no less), who was being a bit of a dick about it. A classic case of 'The OP is always wrong'. If 'it would cost the OP nothing to move for ten seconds' then it would equally cost nothing for the impatient tosser to wait.

CraftySeal · 21/09/2026 13:41

Absolute YANBU.

I honestly wish that it was forbidden to take photos in all museums and galleries, it would make the whole experience so much more enjoyable. It sets my teeth on edge that so many people are more concerned with getting photos than actually being in the moment and enjoying the in-person experience. There are already professional photos online of practically everything in every art gallery or museum if you want to refer back to it, why do you need one on your own camera phone.

KiddyMcKiddly · 21/09/2026 13:09

C152 · 19/09/2026 18:38

This reminds me of the queues of people waiting to get a photo at the top of Snowdon. I think we're generally too obsessed with taking photos now. It's more important to actually be in the moment than take a photo of the moment. You were enjoying seeing the object. Why couldn't he wait until you'd finished viewing it to take his all important photo?

Agreed! I actually didn't get to the top of Snowdon, but I got to the back of the queue for taking a photo at the top of Snowdon, and I couldn't be bothered to stand in it, so I began my descent after enjoying the view from not-quite-the-top for a while.

LobeliaCider · 21/09/2026 12:38

BadLayout · 19/09/2026 18:05

Would you consider someone waving their wrist/hand at you (very much in a “shoo” motion) to be asking, though?

Probably should have made it clearer in my opening post but he wasn’t being nice about it- he was literally shooing me away. If he’d smiled/asked, I’d have moved. I travel a lot and usually try to live and let live, but the way he was motioning me to get a it of his shot really annoyed me.

And I was probably at the sculpture for max 10 seconds before I saw he was gesturing.

I wouldn't have moved for him either. In fact, I would have taken my phone out and told him to move.

lavendersweetly · 21/09/2026 12:34

Could you have moved immediately? Yes.
Should you have had to? Fuck no.
Are you an asshole for that? Absolutely not.

You have as much of a right to be standing somewhere or looking at something at your leisure just as much as anyone else does.
I understand wanting to get a photo of something, but that doesn't mean that you're therefore allowed to order people to move at the drop of a hat.
For most normal people, if they're trying to get a photo of a monument or sculpture, they would simply wait until most people had moved out of the frame rather than shooing people away.

IMO, you did the right thing, OP. I'd have stayed firmly where I was until I was prepared to move in my own time and not a moment sooner 😂

pinkyredrose · 21/09/2026 12:28

Foolish1984 · 21/09/2026 11:52

Common decency has been all but obliterated. Would it really be that hard to move away for a matter of seconds? Then again, he could’ve had the decency to ask politely. In either case, common decency & politeness towards others is becoming a thing of the past

If the man had 'common decency' he wouldn't have shooed her.

Livpool · 21/09/2026 12:27

YABU - why is it such a big deal to move for 10 seconds? How was your enjoyment affected by moving aside? Loads of people want photos free of people.

Cla7 · 21/09/2026 12:24

I think it depends on the amount of time you took there. I usually wait a couple of minutes for people to move if I want to take a photo of something. If a person wants to spend a lengthy time in front of a sculpture (which is fine of course) I think it’s nice to step aside for a short time to allow others to take a photo.

DearlyDiego · 21/09/2026 12:18

All the references to this being a cultural thing are BS, in my opinion. This took place in Europe. To shoo someone away would pretty much be considered universally rude anywhere in Europe.

The OP has later confirmed he looked East Asian, so yeah, probably a cultural thing. But he's not in his own country so he should adapt. Same way that I wouldn't snog my boyfriend in public in Saudi Arabia and I'd wear something conservative if visiting the Vatican. Civilised people adjust their behaviour to the local expectations.

He was rude, OP and I wouldn't have budged, In fact, I'd have settled in for the long haul.

Foolish1984 · 21/09/2026 11:52

Common decency has been all but obliterated. Would it really be that hard to move away for a matter of seconds? Then again, he could’ve had the decency to ask politely. In either case, common decency & politeness towards others is becoming a thing of the past

onmylastnerveseriously · 21/09/2026 11:51

ToadRage · 19/09/2026 18:25

I think it was quite rude of you to not move away so he could take a nice photo. It the place was crowded it may not have been a problem but you were the only one spoiling his picture and YATA.

Don’t be daft: he shooed her! Beyond rude and he deserved to be ignored.

Coffeeandallthebooks · 21/09/2026 11:49

You should have pushed him in!

I had a similar experience with a man trying to pose two women on a bridge and take pictures yelling at people to move on the (crowded) bridge.

It was a major transit route at Alton Towers, the mind boggles at the entitlement.

RealFlawless · 21/09/2026 11:47

ESH. He should have asked politely. You should have moved.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 21/09/2026 11:46

Neuronimo · 20/09/2026 16:07

YANBU I think you might have moved if he'd asked respectfully. I do think that photography has gone mad these days. I am short and often can't see objects of interest because of a sea of arms, iphones and ipads.

It particularly made me sad at Christ Church Oxford recently, I've no clear memory of what we'd seen. It even seems to happens at the theatre lately. It would be nice to be able to contemplate things without feeling under pressure to move.

Cameras out during the bows! Just ridiculous.

Remember what you saw in your head!

I don’t mind people taking photos of their view before the play starts review sites as those are helpful, but I feel like the bows are part of the show and like to see them.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 21/09/2026 11:45

maxslice · 20/09/2026 20:41

Oh, my gosh, did it take them an hour to take a photo? Well, then, stand your ground! Less than 30 seconds? You were being unreasonable.

I think the issue was, they’d have had to pack up their whole picnic to move!

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 21/09/2026 11:43

People and their need to take photos of absolutely everything with no one in shot is getting absolutely exhausting!

See the queues on top of Yr Wyddfa/ Snowdon for example. Preventing actual climbers from getting to just touch the trig (summit).

I might have accommodated him but I agree that his manner of asking would have put me off- and really this whole thing is getting too much!

pinkyredrose · 21/09/2026 11:40

maxslice · 20/09/2026 20:36

Also, photos are taken in fractions of a second. You were being unreasonable.

If only they took a fraction of a second!

maxslice · 20/09/2026 20:41

Yetone · 20/09/2026 16:03

Yes, we were asked at London Zoo by a couple of teachers if we could get out of the way of the ‘London Zoo’ sign so that they could take a picture of it. We had our picnic spread out!! They wanted to put the whole group next to the sign. We did move but I don’t think we would do again on reflection. Talk about entitled!

Oh, my gosh, did it take them an hour to take a photo? Well, then, stand your ground! Less than 30 seconds? You were being unreasonable.

maxslice · 20/09/2026 20:36

Badleg89 · 19/09/2026 17:57

Ive said you are being unreasonable because where would be the harm in moving over a little? Just a nice thing to do

Also, photos are taken in fractions of a second. You were being unreasonable.

BadgerBob · 20/09/2026 18:47

pinkyredrose · 20/09/2026 17:55

I don't think it makes much difference!

If you don't think so, fair play to you. I disagree but I respect your opinion. However, I did specifically indicate why I thought the man's actions can't automatically be ascribed to sexism, and you cut that part out of the quoted post.

thegrumblingkitten · 20/09/2026 17:57

BadLayout · 19/09/2026 18:22

Genuinely- why?

Why is a woman allowed to look at something for a maximum length of time determined by a man?

I land here after thinking about it. He was rudely shooing a woman away from a popular tourist site that she was enjoying/studying. He notably didn't try to shoo the male tourist who appeared to do the same thing.

Sometimes we don't get to take the pictures we want to take it busy, public spaces. It really is that simple.

pinkyredrose · 20/09/2026 17:55

BadgerBob · 20/09/2026 17:45

If you're going to quote me, you may wish to quote the post in its entirety.

I don't think it makes much difference!