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AIBU Or will this penalise mothers more than fathers

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Immakingtime · 19/09/2026 17:21

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6lye7200g7vo

This sets out plans to cut benefits or take legal action against parents who’s children commit offences.

In my experience some of the key factors in youth offending are;

  • witnessing domestic abuse
  • lack of involvement from the father - no good male role model.

A very common pattern I see clinically is single mums raising boys who have learned behaviour and lack of respect from witnessing domestic abuse. The mother is absolutely doing her best but is often triggered by the son’s behaviour that reminds her of the domestic abuse so it’s hard to maintain a parental presence. And there NO services that specifically help with this because it’s complex work.

So once again it’s women picking up the consequences of shit male behaviour.

AIBU to think that this policy will not help these complex issues and will penalise mothers more than fathers (who quite frankly have often buggered off having caused tremendous harm)?

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Parents could face prison for child's crimes under justice reforms, minister says

The reforms to Parenting Orders could also see parents losing benefits, Jake Richards MP told the Times.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6lye7200g7vo

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JLou08 · 19/09/2026 18:26

AmnesiacsDream · 19/09/2026 18:05

I can see the point of criminalizing parents where there behaviour amounts to encouraging criminal behaviour in their children, but if you’ve got that situation going on surely the kids should have been removed from their care, probably long before? If it’s appropriate to jail the parents, how can it be ok to have left the kids with them for years to get to this stage?

Also wondering whether it’s the bbc or the government who frame it as jail or docking benefits? It’s like a statement that it’s expected to be concentrated in communities of poverty and then planning to reduce resources for them even further.

Absolutely agree, OP, with your analysis of VAWG, its impact on mothers and sons and the lack of support.

Also think we need to charge absent parents who don’t provide for their children, co-parent effectively or turn up for contact with neglect.

Do you know a lot of children involved in crime, particularly county lines, are children who have been removed from their parents already? Putting a child in care rarely improves their life, that's why it is an absolute last resort.
There needs to be better early intervention, and I know schools are for education but they are also places where children spend a huge chunk of their time. We need more pastoral support in schools, better training and accommodations made for children with SEND and/or experiencing abuse, positive male role models, extra-curricular programmes to meet their needs. There needs to be an extra pot for funding it because it is social care more than education. It would be expensive to get it going but it could save a fortune in the long term if the cycle of abuse/criminal behaviour/unemployment/poor physical and mental health is broken. Putting children in care very rarely breaks that cycle. I've worked with many adopted adults who can't function. They've not developed a sense of identity and have unseen trauma from the separation from their birth family.
Generation upon generation of the same issues. Except it's getting even bigger now because we're not meeting the needs of children with learning difficulties who are forced into an intensive education system that's whole focus is academic results.

Ponoka7 · 19/09/2026 18:26

Immakingtime · 19/09/2026 18:05

What’s your evidence. I’ve worked clinically for 30 years and have been to various trainings and read various research. You?

Some of us live amongst parents who don't give a shit. However, like school absence fines, the wrong people will get targeted, while those who haven't parented even good enough, will have a million excuses made for them. I agree DV is a factor, but when you have a Mother who isn't picky about who she moves in and then eventually has another baby, she's partly responsible for the outcome. People have lost faith in our government, police and whole system. They dud what they wanted, so some sectors are doing the same. We need early intervention. It's another thing that the Torys let go to shit.

superchick · 19/09/2026 18:23

A lot more women than men get prosecuted for failure to ensure school attendance. As we know there are multiple reasons why children might not attend school and prosecuting a child's mother is very unlikely to resolve any of them. This seems like a policy of the same ilk.

Minasama · 19/09/2026 18:22

You may well be right OP. It would be best of all if dads behaved.
Perhaps some low level criminals would be guilted into behaving properly if their mum was going to lose her benefits? Perhaps there are enough families where this may make a difference to make it worthwhile?

WallaceinAnderland · 19/09/2026 18:19

Compulsory parenting classes and support for parents would be better than hitting them financially.

StrongestWoman · 19/09/2026 18:17

I'm in two minds about this.
In my neighbourhood I know the council had to either threaten to or actually terminate a council house tenancy for a family where the child was causing serious issues Asbo type, phone theft, shoplifting. Before this the parents did nothing. Crime rates went down significantly.

On the other hand my eldest boy is now 13, and while I as a parent have other levers of punishment, he is most probably stronger than me now. I can really see that this is difficult for a single tired mum to manage.

Ponderingwindow · 19/09/2026 18:12

You are not wrong. It’s far too easy for one parent to just disappear and ignore their responsibilities.

Octavia64 · 19/09/2026 18:10

We don’t have space in prisons for people who commit actual crimes much less all their parents.

it does seem to have come off the back of the Southport case however which is very much not a DA situation.

Awkwardisfunny · 19/09/2026 18:10

Immakingtime · 19/09/2026 17:21

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6lye7200g7vo

This sets out plans to cut benefits or take legal action against parents who’s children commit offences.

In my experience some of the key factors in youth offending are;

  • witnessing domestic abuse
  • lack of involvement from the father - no good male role model.

A very common pattern I see clinically is single mums raising boys who have learned behaviour and lack of respect from witnessing domestic abuse. The mother is absolutely doing her best but is often triggered by the son’s behaviour that reminds her of the domestic abuse so it’s hard to maintain a parental presence. And there NO services that specifically help with this because it’s complex work.

So once again it’s women picking up the consequences of shit male behaviour.

AIBU to think that this policy will not help these complex issues and will penalise mothers more than fathers (who quite frankly have often buggered off having caused tremendous harm)?

It's not unreasonable because historically, we haven't been able to trust the government and law enforcement to enforce policy correctly and fairly.

From what I can gather, the intent is to provide discretionary powers to force the worst offending families (where the kids are being led by the parents) to improve behaviour because it's clear parents are the ringleaders. Could be wrong but that's how it comes across to me and I'm for it.

Immakingtime · 19/09/2026 18:08

AmnesiacsDream · 19/09/2026 18:05

I can see the point of criminalizing parents where there behaviour amounts to encouraging criminal behaviour in their children, but if you’ve got that situation going on surely the kids should have been removed from their care, probably long before? If it’s appropriate to jail the parents, how can it be ok to have left the kids with them for years to get to this stage?

Also wondering whether it’s the bbc or the government who frame it as jail or docking benefits? It’s like a statement that it’s expected to be concentrated in communities of poverty and then planning to reduce resources for them even further.

Absolutely agree, OP, with your analysis of VAWG, its impact on mothers and sons and the lack of support.

Also think we need to charge absent parents who don’t provide for their children, co-parent effectively or turn up for contact with neglect.

100%

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Immakingtime · 19/09/2026 18:07

GardenCovent · 19/09/2026 17:52

When I heard this this morning my first thought was it’s ridiculous but then I hope it’s both parents, even if the parent is absent the blame should not fall on the present parent.
I don’t think it is workable though and can’t see it coming to anything

If it was as simple as punitive interventions then people would change already. It’s like punitive interventions around school absence. When parenting breaks down to the point you have no influence over your child, that is complex therapeutic work. And there are no services certainly in my area.

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AmnesiacsDream · 19/09/2026 18:05

I can see the point of criminalizing parents where there behaviour amounts to encouraging criminal behaviour in their children, but if you’ve got that situation going on surely the kids should have been removed from their care, probably long before? If it’s appropriate to jail the parents, how can it be ok to have left the kids with them for years to get to this stage?

Also wondering whether it’s the bbc or the government who frame it as jail or docking benefits? It’s like a statement that it’s expected to be concentrated in communities of poverty and then planning to reduce resources for them even further.

Absolutely agree, OP, with your analysis of VAWG, its impact on mothers and sons and the lack of support.

Also think we need to charge absent parents who don’t provide for their children, co-parent effectively or turn up for contact with neglect.

Immakingtime · 19/09/2026 18:05

YabbaDabbaDooooo · 19/09/2026 17:58

It's not all about the lack of input from the absent parent though.

It's often the lack of co-parenting and the introduction of new partners and children to the home.

And then of course you can add lots of other problems that don't involve relationships.

What’s your evidence. I’ve worked clinically for 30 years and have been to various trainings and read various research. You?

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Immakingtime · 19/09/2026 18:04

YabbaDabbaDooooo · 19/09/2026 17:58

It's not all about the lack of input from the absent parent though.

It's often the lack of co-parenting and the introduction of new partners and children to the home.

And then of course you can add lots of other problems that don't involve relationships.

Prisons are full of people with developmental trauma. The percentage is really high. Youth Offending is an opportunity for early intervention.

Its not the mere absence I’m talking about. It’s the causing trauma, not doing the growth needed and buggering off leaving the mother to pick up the pieces. And that this policy will disproportionately impact mothers.

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YabbaDabbaDooooo · 19/09/2026 17:58

It's not all about the lack of input from the absent parent though.

It's often the lack of co-parenting and the introduction of new partners and children to the home.

And then of course you can add lots of other problems that don't involve relationships.

GardenCovent · 19/09/2026 17:52

When I heard this this morning my first thought was it’s ridiculous but then I hope it’s both parents, even if the parent is absent the blame should not fall on the present parent.
I don’t think it is workable though and can’t see it coming to anything