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It's "the worsT", not "the worse"

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Dovesono · 17/09/2026 20:51

Well not always, but most of the time when people write "worse", they actually mean "worst".

If the worst should happen.
If the worst comes to the worst.
The worst thing I have ever seen.
She is the worst person I know.

As in "bad, worse, worst."
Opposite of "good, better best."

Thank you.

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Sahara123 · 18/09/2026 08:56

There’s a shop in a village near me which has etched on its window that they sell “ Jams and preservatives “ . I actually make myself a bit crazy at times thinking about this as I begin to doubt myself- surely the sign writer who did it must’ve known it was wrong !

BishBashBoshDumpling · 18/09/2026 08:51

CoffeeCantata · 18/09/2026 07:58

Just a thought...

I'm a pedant when it comes to official use of language and professional people's use of language.

But of course I understand that some people haven't had the benefit of a good education, or don't come from families where reading and discussion was encouraged. However, I feel very strongly about the importance of literacy for everyone. To deprive people of language and to tell them it doesn't matter is the opposite of empowering.

Sometimes - rarely - on MN there's an Original Post which is illiterate: no sentence breaks, no paras, spelling and grammar all over the place etc. These posts are hard to understand and pps often ask for clarification. The ones I've seen have been from an OP who is clearly in need of help and advice - they tend not to be the lighthearted, frivolous threads. It always strikes me how hard life can be for people who don't have a command of English for one reason or another.

That's why I feel so strongly about language - it's a vital tool and not just for poets and academics. You might not be into creative writing, but everyone needs to leave school feeling confident that they can make themselves clear in both speech and writing - it's not a trivial matter.

Brilliantly put!

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 18/09/2026 08:44

Mmm bratwurst, said in my Homerist Simpsony voice.

TheEdgyMoose · 18/09/2026 08:37

borntobequiet · 18/09/2026 08:24

It’s not regional and I would certainly use it in general conversation. I would expect whoever I was conversing with to either understand it or make an effort to find out what it means.

There was an incident not so long ago where an angry mob gathered outside the house of a paediatrician, forcing her from her home, thinking her to be a paedophile. This is where such ignorance and laziness gets us.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/vigilante-mob-attacks-home-of-paediatrician-710864.html

You can argue all you like but, whether you use it or not, niggardly is a word that has fallen out of common use. I personally don't think the language would be worse off if we let go of that one particular word. You are welcome to disagree (and you obviously do).

I don't think it compares to "paediatrician" which is in common use and isn't so easily replaced.

CamillaMcCauley · 18/09/2026 08:30

augustuss · 18/09/2026 08:28

It has become common to use cringe as an adjective online to add brevity and punchlines. Language evolves quickly online and I’m embracing that.
It is very different to saying ‘apart’ instead of ‘a part’ in a written message sent out to parents.

Exactly. These days, I would be most likely to describe the aforementioned niggardly portion of chips as “a bit povo”. Next year there may be a funnier word to use.

augustuss · 18/09/2026 08:28

CremeDeMure · 18/09/2026 08:15

You have used one of the ones that gets to me in this post. So many people using cringe when they mean cringeworthy or cringey.

It has become common to use cringe as an adjective online to add brevity and punchlines. Language evolves quickly online and I’m embracing that.
It is very different to saying ‘apart’ instead of ‘a part’ in a written message sent out to parents.

Sartre · 18/09/2026 08:27

I’m an English lit lecturer and I don’t get het up over shit like this. I have incredibly pedantic colleagues who waste their lives fighting students over the use of American pronunciations or terms for example when I don’t care at all. Sometimes American words make far more sense than ours - sidewalk and jump rope spring to mind.

I have a PhD student from Azerbaijan and she asked me how to pronounce 3 words yesterday - weir, Dearne and Aire. The English language is insane.

CelticSilver · 18/09/2026 08:27

'But being spent, the worse and worst
times still succeed the former.'

CamillaMcCauley · 18/09/2026 08:26

CremeDeMure · 18/09/2026 08:19

In other words, everyone should dumb it down. I am worh @CoffeeCantata on this one, niggardly is not archaic, rather misunderstood.

You do understand that by definition, 50 percent of people are in the lower half of the intelligence curve, right?

I think I would describe it as dealing in effective reality rather than delusional ideology.

borntobequiet · 18/09/2026 08:24

TheEdgyMoose · 18/09/2026 08:09

I wonder if it's regional. I don't recall ever hearing the word niggardly used in general conversation.

In most cases I would agree that we should preserve our language but I wouldn't mourn the loss of a word that resembles a racial slur. There are plenty of alternatives.

It’s not regional and I would certainly use it in general conversation. I would expect whoever I was conversing with to either understand it or make an effort to find out what it means.

There was an incident not so long ago where an angry mob gathered outside the house of a paediatrician, forcing her from her home, thinking her to be a paedophile. This is where such ignorance and laziness gets us.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/vigilante-mob-attacks-home-of-paediatrician-710864.html

Imseriouslyyouguys · 18/09/2026 08:24

KwellsBells · 18/09/2026 08:18

I see it as the flip side of that - they’re such commonly used words/abbreviations and therefore seen/read everywhere, so they should be ones people are getting right!

“Seen/read everywhere” - agreed and on the flip side, the fact that the incorrect versions are now seen all over the internet (and hardly anyone reads proper published writing that has gone through proofreading these days) means that the common mistakes are compounded in people’s minds.

PrettyLittleRose · 18/09/2026 08:22

@Dovesono

May I introduce you to Pedants Corner. Grin

www.mumsnet.com/talk/pedants_corner

ErrolTheDragon · 18/09/2026 08:22

Notsosweetcaroline · 18/09/2026 08:10

It is kind of correct, “winter of discontent” , it comes from Shakespeares Richard 111 and is actually now is the “winter of our discontent”. So I don’t see the issue myself.

The direct allusion is to the Winter of Discontent which some of us are old enough to remember. In the context of reporting on modern economic woes it’s entirely appropriate. Obviously this was derived from the Shakespeare quotation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent

CamillaMcCauley · 18/09/2026 08:21

Imseriouslyyouguys · 18/09/2026 08:18

What’s hard to understand about you’re = you are?

A better person to ask would be one who struggles with the difference.

Floatlikeafeather2 · 18/09/2026 08:19

MrsArcher23 · 17/09/2026 21:16

Did you all get lost on the way to Pedants’ Corner??

I have tried to find Pedants' Corner many times and haven't found it yet. How do I get there? I've just tried again and failed.

CremeDeMure · 18/09/2026 08:19

CamillaMcCauley · 18/09/2026 07:49

My vocabulary is just fine, thanks love. However, I would suggest that your circle is a pretty niche one. If someone is speaking to a broad group and wishes to be understood well by them, they should tailor their vocab to their audience. This is Communication 101.

Edited

In other words, everyone should dumb it down. I am worh @CoffeeCantata on this one, niggardly is not archaic, rather misunderstood.

Imseriouslyyouguys · 18/09/2026 08:18

CamillaMcCauley · 18/09/2026 07:30

Surely the very fact that they are “depressingly common” tells you that not everyone finds the difference as simple to discern as you do.

What’s hard to understand about you’re = you are?

KwellsBells · 18/09/2026 08:18

CamillaMcCauley · 18/09/2026 07:30

Surely the very fact that they are “depressingly common” tells you that not everyone finds the difference as simple to discern as you do.

I see it as the flip side of that - they’re such commonly used words/abbreviations and therefore seen/read everywhere, so they should be ones people are getting right!

LakieLady · 18/09/2026 08:17

sallyrhubarbbb · 17/09/2026 21:36

YES.

also, ‘should of’, ‘could of’, would of’, instead of ‘have’ makes my teeth itch.

That's the one that most riles me.

My inner grammar Nazi jumps up and down, shouting "Go on then, conjugate the verb "to of".

CamillaMcCauley · 18/09/2026 08:16

CoffeeCantata · 18/09/2026 08:02

I've done a lot of public speaking and always tailor my material to the audience. But that doesn't mean I compromise on quality of language - that would be unbelievably patronising.

I wouldn't assume a Cockney accent and start doing glottal stops to ingratiate myself with an audience - simply because I'd made all kinds of assumptions about them! And before you sneer at this - I've seen it done. Actually, Tony Blair was a big offender in this way - he was a public schoolboy who felt he needed to talk down to the masses. I don't think 'the masses' like that, or are fooled by it!

Doing a fake Cockney accent isn’t really the same thing as avoiding words that half your audience has probably never heard before, or of which they may have only a fuzzy understanding.

Fancy words don’t necessarily make for better communication. Sure, if you’re Will Self or Cormac McCarthy, go to town with your language but not every good book needs to be chasing a Booker.

”Niggardly” might be charming as a linguistic flourish when you and your Bloomsbury pals pick up a disappointing serving at the local chippy, but it is nothing but snobbery to look down on a broad audience for not understanding it when “mean” “skimpy” “scant” or “paltry” get the message across more effectively.

CremeDeMure · 18/09/2026 08:15

augustuss · 18/09/2026 06:47

The PTA has been posting the same ‘Be apart of our PTA’ message via SM, WhatsApp and email for a few days. It’s particularly cringe when school related. Headteacher and a few of the TA’s are PTA members.

You have used one of the ones that gets to me in this post. So many people using cringe when they mean cringeworthy or cringey.

Notsosweetcaroline · 18/09/2026 08:10

Greenandyellowday · 18/09/2026 08:04

Is that not correct?

It is kind of correct, “winter of discontent” , it comes from Shakespeares Richard 111 and is actually now is the “winter of our discontent”. So I don’t see the issue myself.

TheEdgyMoose · 18/09/2026 08:09

borntobequiet · 18/09/2026 07:59

Archaic? I disagree. I’ve seen it written and heard it spoken throughout my lifetime, including recently.

It would be far better for people to understand the meanings of words rather than avoid using them because of a coincidental resemblance to unacceptable ones. We need to preserve the wonderful breadth of the English language.

Broadcasters in particular need to pronounce words properly. Radio 4 presenters forever pronounce “defuse” as “diffuse”, very annoying.

I wonder if it's regional. I don't recall ever hearing the word niggardly used in general conversation.

In most cases I would agree that we should preserve our language but I wouldn't mourn the loss of a word that resembles a racial slur. There are plenty of alternatives.

likelysuspect · 18/09/2026 08:07

Wonder and wander, people get muddled up all the time.

Littlegreywolfcub · 18/09/2026 08:06

CamillaMcCauley · 18/09/2026 05:43

These threads are always just the same kind of snobs tutting about the same set of errors.

So yes, YABU as these mistakes have been made for decades and people will continue to make them because not everyone either knows or cares about immaculate grammar as long as they can be understood by any halfway intelligent person. Which in every single example cited so far, they can be.

Listen mate -

This thread is not the place for you. Simple as that.

Leave us snobs to tut some more; we're enjoying ourselves 😃

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