To think people should not use 'we put pets to sleep' as an argument to allow assisted dying?

Agree. To me it's an absolute no brainer that people should be able to go on their own terms. We have the option to prevent our pets suffering but not ourselves, that's bonkers to me.

My Dad died from liver cancer, and his death was the most horrific thing I've ever had to witness. His liver failing meant his body was unable to metabolise the end of life drugs, and he had outstanding palliative care. It's taken me years to put myself together again from watching it.

He had not one single solitary ounce of dignity in that death. And frankly fuck everyone who argues that assisted dying has no place in society.

You’ve been exceptionally fortunate in the deaths you’ve witnessed if this is true. Others’ experiences have clearly been quite different.

My head and my heart are exactly where they should be.

Don’t know about yours.

It’s very concerning when so many people throw out lines such as “we wouldn’t let a pet suffer” and “we don’t want a loved one to suffer”

all of these are to alleviate the feelings of the speaker and the watcher of the dying person. I have watched people dying and all the medical professionals tell me they are in pain and they patient themselves deny it. It is very dangerous when we try to advocate for euthanasia based on people saying that they think their loved one is suffering and they want to put them out of their misery

so dangerous.

Here. Section 21 Signing by Proxy (p22 of the pdf)
The proxy merely says hand on heart the patient said they wanted it. And with the process being paper reviews and no interviews in person. Very easy to do a proxy to bump off a person, you only need to have known them for two years, you don’t even have to be next of kin.

https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/61635/documents/6734

When my dog was pts it was a good death - he'd been spoilt for a week, he was relaxed and happy, and just drifted off. I though that's very much how I'd want to go. In contrast I have seen someone elderly die who was begging to die during his final days - that was inhumane. I also have had close relatives who very much wished to die rather than continue with their lifes as their quality of life declined. I wluld join dignitas if I was diagnosed with certain conditions. I think that option should be available in the UK, not just those able - financially and physically - to travel.

Oh yes there is. A lot has been posted in this thread and others. I suggest you pull your head out of the sand and read some of it.

Can you post the guideline about that please. From the proposed AD guidelines.

No, there isn’t.

It’s just people who want to cover the whole world in plastic and safeguarding instructions.

It was mentioned upthread the Canadian woman who told an AD assessor she did not want AD but palliative care. Her husband said he was experiencing carer fatigue put in an emergency request for AD for his wife, hours later she had been euthanised. And he’s not a murderer despite her being killed on his order, without her consent and against her express wishes. The state becomes complicit in murder and so permits it.

Except there aren’t. The HoL tried to add some in, but the Leadbetter committee rejected every single one.

Did you know that in the UK AD bill voted on a self nominated proxy can sign on your behalf to consent for AD and there is no requirement for a doctor to physically tell you that an AD application has been made on your behalf? That the doctor, excuse me, any healthcare professional (the bill doesn’t even require a qualified nurse to administer it), can come to you and euthanise you? The proxy only has to say wink wink they signed for you, that you have verbally agreed or you nodded or blinked or did a thumbs up whatever and that means full steam ahead.

There is a lot of evidence that cannot be ignored.

You have never watched someone you love die painfully and slowly. You are so lucky

That is why there are safe guards.

I have been wondering the same.
Violent killings of women, and are happening anyway regardless of any AD laws in place.

Why are you going on to me about men murdering women and calling it mercy killings? What’s that actually got to do with assisted dying? Surely if you want to murder your wife because you think you know better than she does about whether she should live, you are unlikely to be able to get her to convince medical professionals she wants to die? I am so confused. Do you think murderers don’t really want to do the murdering and are looking to outsource or something?

That’s appalling @RumPidgeon. It’s really shocking that someone should be allowed to endure that in an allegedly civilised country.

Sorry to hear that. We do not put pets through that. If a pet is dying, we don't leave them to it for days/weeks. It is cruel and unfair.
But it seems to be ok to let a human go through that, and that same human is asking you not to allow it to happen.

Meant to uote @RumPidgeon

My ex had terminal brain cancer and because he was too weak to travel to Dignitas he died NIL by mouth and it took days for him to die. He was a young man in his early thirties.

YABVU

We don’t equate humans to pets. Why should any human suffer like my ex did? He wanted to die peacefully and was Sound of mind to make that decision - instead he died of dehydration and starvation- medicated out of his mind unable to recognise anyone.

It is not about wanting to "kill Granny" (a throwback to Covid times that needs to feck off).
Granny has terminal cancer and faces pain and vomiting faeces in her final weeks. Or she has a neck cancer that means she could suddenly bleed to death at any time. Or a cancer that has eaten away at half her face already and she is in immense pain as well as suffering the fact she has half a face.

Granny is asking to be able to check out on her own terms. She does not want to jump off a car park or take a load of pills at home alone, or leave a body for someone to find. She wants to have her loved ones with her and go in a controlled manner, without worrying they would all be arrested for being there with her. Who would deny her that?

I’m amazed at this poll outcome. Killing a person and putting a pet to sleep (who has never had the ability to consent) are two entirely different things. I’m amazed people can equate their pets to their grandparents or relatives.