AIBU to oppose housing 1,000 undocumented young men near Piddington?

What restrictions are there? The last I saw was they had to take hi vis vests as in danger on roads without pavements, but they couldn’t be told not to leave.

What restrictions do you mean?

They do record it in Scotland as admitted in an foi response its just not in the data that they release because the snp have banned them from doing so, much like they did with the number of men that they housed in women's jails.

Except that men can come and go at will, which is not the case in an open prison (though of course some people do abscond from open prisons).

I too felt like this at first but it does sound like this is treated as more of an open prison.

They are being housed there on an unused military base as apparently an alternative to using hostels/hotels.

The barracks are already set up to house thousands of men and have things like kitchens, laundry facilities, bedrooms etc.

So they’re housed there and have certain restrictions etc and then they are spread out once they’ve passed certain checks etc.

At the beginning of this thread I was opposed to the idea but actually it does make sense.

I’m sympathetic to the point re numbers but the problem is that available sites are generally situated in rural or semi-rural areas where the nearest village is usually small. Over the road from the asylum centre is a prison, and another one 200 miles away in another nice village same issue - often in rural areas.

info on the site here https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/asylum-accommodation-at-military-sites-factsheets/mod-bicester-site-a-oxfordshire-factsheet

Asylum seeker isn’t an ethnicity so how do ethnicity stats help you?

I agree crime stats by ethnicity would be useful, and maybe different in Scotland but it’s possible for police to record that in England but they’re really bad at it so the data is a mess.

With their anti social
behaviour from
12-5 am every single bloody night!

I have in-laws in Crowborough who are regularly out marching in opposition to the former cadet training centre being used to accommodate asylum seekers.

They say that there's been "a case" of indecent assault committed by someone from the camp. If there'd been more, I'm sure they would have mentioned it!

I may know more next week, as I'll be seeing them at the weekend.

Why should Piddington not take their fair share? Surely their fair share might be about 30 or so, not 1.200?
I'm as liberal lefty as they come but the idea of dumping any 1200 men in an area with a population of only 300 is just barmy!

Must admit I haven't read up on what exactly happens once they are there. Do they receive any training or integration advice, are they helped or policed by any service or just ignored until their review comes up?

@DebbieSavage I think we are way past right wing rumours/myth as far as grooming gangs are concerned!

You mean airmen.
The raf had their own medics shops and facilities, they were gainfully employed, spoke the language and weretge same culture had access to vehicles and the raf police and comand structures to keep them in line so completely different from what is coming

Sorry you're having issues and hope they get sorted asap. Why are you exhausted?

I live in London and we have a lot of asylum seekers living here (including very local to me). For the most part, it's not a problem. Why should Piddington not take their fair share?

Is that type of language really necessary?

I worked on a homeless prevention and resettlement project and worked with 5 clients who had recently been granted refugee status. All of them had been allocated to this area by the Home Office under some sort of dispersal arrangement. While seeking asylum, they had been accommodated in several different parts of the country.

The most recent of these was approx 5 years ago, when I moved to another job.
Are these arrangements no longer happening and, if so, do you know when they stopped?

It seems very short-sighted if the process has changed.

How do we know that they aren't asylum seekers easy they travelled through multiple safe countries, including those with the same language and culture that they come from, all of which they could have and should have claimed asylum in, but instead chose to continue on to the UK ergo they are economic migrants not asylum seekers whatever they may claim when they get here

I suppose humour is in the eye of the beholder.

I would have concerns and would want assurances and would want to review all the plans that have been shared online. But yes, based on my prior experience of living near asylum seeker HMOs and 'very low' crime rate reported by Essex police near RAF Wethersfield asylum seeker barracks and subject to careful review of the plans, I would be ok with it.

I'm not sure the asylum seekers will want to head to Piddington village anyway.

Google says Piddington has:

No shop.
No pub (other than the occasional pop-up pub)
No school.
No café.

Yep it’s fine as parody. It’s about right.

I think it's simple - all the people who say they would be fine to live there can offer to swap homes with the people who live there and aren't happy about it

It's a lot easier to say you are fine with an idea when it's just going to remain a hypothetical issue

This makes sense.

So basically it’s like a cat D/open prison.

I completely agree. Unfortunately Debbie only pops up on immigration threads to wind people up.

No, it’s parody. And funny.

Actually you are incorrect. As we move more and more toward a global society, rhetoric aimed at demonising or accusing ethnic minorities of being overrepresented in crime statistics will only serve to sow division within our communities. Nobody has the right to live in a homogeneous society, no person owns Britain, it is open to any and all who would want to come and make a life for themselves here.

And they should be free to do so without bigots and online rabble rousers instigating sedicious rumours about 'grooming gangs' or whatever right wing myth they dream up in that particular month. It's tantamount to domestic terrorism as far as I am concerned.

I would 100% rather be housed near immigrant accommodation than the bail hostels.

They’re a massive problem and it’s often not the ex criminals using them that are the problem - it’s the ones that hang around to exploit them.

I know many people who stand outside these hostels who give them free drugs - then they either get addicted/re-addicted or they’re in debt.

(And then of course you have the rapists and peadophiles).