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stuckntired · 14/09/2026 20:14

I honestly dont know what to do anymore. DS1 and DS2 have just turned 15 a few weeks ago and are in year 11 and school are now talking about exclusion. I feel sick even writing that because its GCSE year and things have got so bad. Ive tried everything I can think of and nothing seems to make any difference

DS1 and DS2 are identical twins and they are very close. They dont really have friends apart from each other which used to worry me but now I actually think its making things worse. They are together all the time. They go out together sit in their room together game together and if one gets into trouble the other one is normally there making it worse. They dont seem to have anyone else to answer to really. Its just them

When they started year 7 DS1 was bright and a bit of a smart arse if Im honest. He could be cheeky and answer back but teachers liked him and he was actually interested in his work. He was good at maths and science and I remember being told he had loads of potential. DS2 was always more difficult and has always liked attention. He would mess about for a laugh and get other children going but it wasnt anything that seemed that serious then. They were both annoying at times but I never thought we would get to this

It got worse in year 8 then worse again in year 9. More detentions more arguments more emails home. DS2 was usually the one starting things and DS1 would sometimes tell him to stop but then he started joining in instead. I kept thinking they would grow out of it. Now they are in year 11 and they are both a nightmare in school. They talk over teachers make noises shout things out laugh when they are told off and refuse to do basic things. They argue about everything and take up so much teacher time. There have been detentions and isolations and now they are talking about exclusion

They both walk out of lessons if they dont like what they are being told. They have refused to hand their phones over and DS2 has sworn at teachers. DS1 has started doing it too. They wind each other up and then laugh about it. If one gets sent out the other will usually start making comments or laughing. They have been put in isolation more than once. The school keeps saying they cant keep taking teachers away from lessons to deal with them and I do understand that but I dont know how Ive ended up with two boys who think this is funny. They dont seem to care about consequences at all

DS1 is what really gets me because he was the bright one. He doesnt even do his homework anymore. If he gets good feedback or a good grade he used to get really pleased with himself but now DS2 makes comments about him being a teachers pet or being up the teachers arse and all sorts. DS1 used to get annoyed but now he laughs with him. If a teacher says something positive about DS1 DS2 will make some comment about him thinking hes clever. He seems to hate his brother doing well and I think DS1 has started avoiding doing anything that makes him stand out because of it. Its horrible because I know he can do better

I have asked school if they can put them in different classes because I think they need separating but they are both bottom set for a lot of subjects so its not really possible. Moving one up would mean putting him in a set he isnt working at and school cant just move him up to separate them. They also picked exactly the same options for GCSE which Im now thinking was probably because they wanted to be together all the time. At the time I didnt think anything of it. On Friday they had a supply teacher who didnt know them and apparently they kept swapping places and saying they were each other. She couldnt work out who was who and eventually had to call the HOY because they wouldnt stop. They thought it was hilarious

At home they are awful as well. If I ask them to do anything I get why or you cant make me and then it can go straight into swearing. They leave plates upstairs and rubbish everywhere and neither of them will do anything unless I ask over and over. They stay up gaming when they have been told to go to bed. If I take one phone the other one suddenly says its his or hides it. They both vape even though I keep taking them away. A few months ago I found out DS2 was smoking cigarettes as well. He denied it at first then basically said it was only a few. When they are grounded they just go anyway. They have climbed out of a downstairs window before because I wouldnt let them out

They are also causing trouble around the estate. They go out together and there have been complaints about banging on doors throwing eggs kicking bins shouting through letterboxes riding electric bikes where they shouldnt and going into peoples gardens. They have thrown stones at a garage door and apparently filmed some of it. I have defended them before because I thought people were blaming them for things other kids had done but Ive since found out they actually were involved in some of it. DS2 seems to enjoy getting a reaction from people and DS1 goes along with it. I dont know why they think this is funny

DS2 and girls is another thing Im really struggling with. He has always liked attention but the things Ive been told recently are not something I can just put down to being immature. He makes comments about girls bodies and has apparently carried on talking to girls after theyve told him to leave them alone. Hes shown messages from girls to other boys and one girl blocked him and he thought it was hilarious. Ive spoken to him about boundaries and consent and he tells me everyone is too sensitive and that it was a joke. DS1 has sometimes been there laughing too. Another thing I found out was DS2 took a girls bag from outside a classroom and passed it to another boy because they thought it was funny watching her look for it. She was crying apparently. I was absolutely horrified

Today I had another phone call from school. DS2 had an energy drink in class and when the teacher tried to take it off him he just walked out. DS1 followed him and they were running around the corridors laughing and refusing to come back. They were both put into isolation for the rest of the week. The problem is theres only one isolation room so school are now trying to work out something else because apparently putting them together defeats the point. They said they need to separate them somehow

Im seriously thinking about trying to move DS1 to another school. I feel like he needs getting away from DS2 before he throws everything away as well. Hes august born so Ive even wondered if I could ask if he could start year 10 again but I dont know if thats completely ridiculous. I know hes 15 and should make his own choices but I honestly think being together constantly is making both of them worse. They have no friends apart from each other and just egg each other on. Ive asked various people for help and dont seem to be getting anywhere. Im starting to worry about what theyll be like in a few years. Ive actually had a nightmare about them both being in prison which sounds dramatic but thats honestly where my head is at now

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LarryForPrimeMinister · 14/09/2026 22:03

If they didn't care they wouldn't be on to you about having their phones back. Sorry op but you have been far to relaxed and let them get away with murder. Its probably to late to make any relevant progress with their behaviour now unless they want to change.

hattie43 · 14/09/2026 22:02

Where’s their father in all this . Boys need strong role models .

Hankunamatata · 14/09/2026 21:57

Would your ds both agree to a managed move to 2 different schools?

Theunamedcat · 14/09/2026 21:57

If they fight and hurt each other let them

Learn how to block devices off the WiFi get controls put on the game consoles so they shut down at a certain point climbing out the window is harder call the police every time they abscond yes its a ball ache for everyone involved but eventually someone will have to do something rather than run you in circles and mumble at you

Your right they needed separating but I honestly think the time might have passed for that to be truly effective

DaisyMayBojangles · 14/09/2026 21:54

Where is their dad, OP?

Arran2024 · 14/09/2026 21:46

I think it's naive to think that taking away their phones etc is going to work. These boys are on the verge of criminality and would possibly find ways to fund their own phones. Teenagers like this are vulnerable to being picked up by drug dealers and then mum has no chance.

OP, I think you need and deserve some practical support - otherwise things will just get worse.

SouthLondonMum22 · 14/09/2026 21:36

stuckntired · 14/09/2026 21:29

They have gone out without their phones before honestly they dont care. Ive taken their controllers as well so they cant play on the console but then they are on at me constantly or they are fighting with each other and they arent toddlers anymore they could really hurt each other.

They used to be in different sets for some lessons but even when they were in different sets it didnt really work because one of them would leave their lesson to go and find the other and then theyd mess around outside the other ones classroom trying to get their attention.

Im not blaming DS2 for everything and Im not blaming the school either. School have actually tried a lot. They put them on report last year and have given them chance after chance. I cant honestly sit here and say the school havent done anything because they have. If anything they have probably been too generous with the chances theyve given them and another school might have got rid of them by now

But they definitely bring the worst out in each other. I dont think either of them is completely innocent in this and I know DS1 has to take responsibility for himself too. I just dont know how else to separate them because they are always together

It doesnt help that they chose exactly the same options and were given them. I dont know if they both planned it or one just copied the other but either way they have ended up together for most things. Its like it’s them vs the rest of us

If they didn't care then they wouldn't be 'on at you' constantly until you give in.

stuckntired · 14/09/2026 21:29

They have gone out without their phones before honestly they dont care. Ive taken their controllers as well so they cant play on the console but then they are on at me constantly or they are fighting with each other and they arent toddlers anymore they could really hurt each other.

They used to be in different sets for some lessons but even when they were in different sets it didnt really work because one of them would leave their lesson to go and find the other and then theyd mess around outside the other ones classroom trying to get their attention.

Im not blaming DS2 for everything and Im not blaming the school either. School have actually tried a lot. They put them on report last year and have given them chance after chance. I cant honestly sit here and say the school havent done anything because they have. If anything they have probably been too generous with the chances theyve given them and another school might have got rid of them by now

But they definitely bring the worst out in each other. I dont think either of them is completely innocent in this and I know DS1 has to take responsibility for himself too. I just dont know how else to separate them because they are always together

It doesnt help that they chose exactly the same options and were given them. I dont know if they both planned it or one just copied the other but either way they have ended up together for most things. Its like it’s them vs the rest of us

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Catza · 14/09/2026 21:28

stuckntired · 14/09/2026 20:55

They dont own electric bikes I should have made that clearer sorry. They just use ones belonging to other boys and thats part of the problem

I do take their phones. I have taken them both away loads of times and they are constantly on at me about getting them back and it just wears you down after a while. Same with grounding them. I take things away and tell them they arent going out then they just go out anyway. I cant physically stop them leaving the house and it just turns into another massive argument

I have reached out for help quite a few times and Ive spoken to school and other people about what I can actually do but I just keep getting passed around. Nobody seems to actually help me manage them. I know Im supposed to put consequences in place but when the consequences just mean they go out anyway Im running out of ideas

So you took their phones away and then you give them back when they are "constantly on at you"... well, what do you think you taught them so far? Only that if they try harder to annoy you, you will give in. You must see that it is not a very effective way to discipline your kids.
You will have to start changing things. Take the phone away, tell them exactly how long you are taking it away for and specify what behaviour you need to see before they get it back. Then stick to it. It's really not that difficult. You just ignore their wining and swearing. And warn them that every swear word aimed at you will result in an additional day without a phone.
Start there and see how you get on. You have a real chance to at least make a dent in their behaviour before they turn into complete thugs and either one or both of them end up arrested for sexual assault.

ProudCat · 14/09/2026 21:26

I'm a teacher and an frequently frustrated by poor parenting BUT this family have been horribly let down by the school.

There's no way in hell we'd have identical twins who had anything like this dynamic in class together, and we'd have picked it up in Y7. We also wouldn't be talking about exclusion at the beginning of Y11. Good God. It's not like they suddenly started kicking off. This is a situation that's been let get out of hand.

I feel sorry for mum. Very much sounds as if she's been given barely any support and has been struggling to cope for a long time.

At this point, it would seem you're in alternative provision territory. The local authority have a responsibility to provide your sons with an education. It would appear home ed with tutoring support isn't feasible. You need actual answers about how your LA propose to meet their legal obligation.

SouthLondonMum22 · 14/09/2026 21:23

stuckntired · 14/09/2026 20:55

They dont own electric bikes I should have made that clearer sorry. They just use ones belonging to other boys and thats part of the problem

I do take their phones. I have taken them both away loads of times and they are constantly on at me about getting them back and it just wears you down after a while. Same with grounding them. I take things away and tell them they arent going out then they just go out anyway. I cant physically stop them leaving the house and it just turns into another massive argument

I have reached out for help quite a few times and Ive spoken to school and other people about what I can actually do but I just keep getting passed around. Nobody seems to actually help me manage them. I know Im supposed to put consequences in place but when the consequences just mean they go out anyway Im running out of ideas

So you give in and let them have their phones back? and that's the problem. They know you aren't serious and will give in.

You need to take their phones, games consoles, even wifi and mean it. They can earn them back when they start respecting you.

If they go out when they are grounded? you lock the doors and windows and they won't feel big or clever when it gets cold and their mates have gone in. Ground them for longer when you do let them get back in.

Itsbeenalongtimeincoming · 14/09/2026 21:13

OP I am curious to know why you think this is the schools problem? This is a parenting problem that has been left way too late.

This clearly has been going to for years and your children don’t seem to have any consequences or parenting.

Take away their phones permanently. They wear you down? Too bad thats what being a parent means - setting boundaries and staying with them.

When they are next out I would strip their rooms - no consoles, no screens, no tv, vape removed etc. Anything they may enjoy. Read them the riot act and stick to it.

ArseSkinForAFriend · 14/09/2026 21:12

They’re so out of control I can’t see that changing school is going to make any difference.

I imagine they’ll come to the attention of police soon enough and how they respond to that could make some difference.

Riceball · 14/09/2026 21:11
  1. Cancel phone contracts and get rid of their phones. Give air tags or Nokias if needed.
  2. Have you checked for neurodiversity (more prevalent in twins)?
Txutxioyigx · 14/09/2026 21:10

You take away phones and consoles and you stick to it. If they climb out the window you lock the door. You don’t give them a penny.
Where is their dad ?
Tell them if they carry on they’ll go into care - separately

NoelEdmondsHairGel · 14/09/2026 21:07

I would set a clear period for phone confiscation and every time they ask for it back or swear at you etc they lose an extra day. They only get it back after a complete eg 14 days of good behaviour.

hopspot · 14/09/2026 21:05

They need separating. Their relationship with each other is toxic. I say this as a twin myself who recognises the nuances of their competition, love and rivalry for each other.
Move both boys to different separate schools. Don’t worry about GCSEs, they clearly won’t be doing well if they continue this way. They’d be better off moving schools and starting year 10 again,

Arran2024 · 14/09/2026 21:04

I'm so sorry, this sounds horrendous.

Sadly you can't realistically move a child in year 11 as it's gcse curriculum time and you can't just slot in.

Have school considered sending one of them to the pupil referral unit (if you are in England)?

Anyway, you might as well focus on finding them college placements for next year. Sounds like they won't get their gsces so options will be limited, but is there anything they want to do?

Have you checked out services in your LA for at risk teens? They both sound vulnerable to stuff like county lines - you can get youth workers involved, I think.

Bushmillsbabe · 14/09/2026 21:03

Confused where you say DS1 is smart, but bottom set? Even if bright but just not trying very hard, would be mid set.

I also echo what others have said, DS2 seems to be being blamed for DS1's changing behaviour. At 15 DS1 can make his own choices and is responsible for his own behaviour.

It can be hard being the mediocre sibling of the child who excels, my brother was that sibling and he resented me and acted out to get attention.

I would be putting them both in new but seperate schools - their current school can help with this - I think its called a managed move?

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Soontobe60 · 14/09/2026 20:58

These boys are running rings around you and everyone else. Are you on your own or is there a father on the scene? In all honesty, I’d be taking away all devices, switching off the internet and ensuring they have no access to money. Then I would ask school to arrange managed moves for both boys at separate schools. Time to get very tough.

PressTheSwitch · 14/09/2026 20:58

stuckntired · 14/09/2026 20:55

They dont own electric bikes I should have made that clearer sorry. They just use ones belonging to other boys and thats part of the problem

I do take their phones. I have taken them both away loads of times and they are constantly on at me about getting them back and it just wears you down after a while. Same with grounding them. I take things away and tell them they arent going out then they just go out anyway. I cant physically stop them leaving the house and it just turns into another massive argument

I have reached out for help quite a few times and Ive spoken to school and other people about what I can actually do but I just keep getting passed around. Nobody seems to actually help me manage them. I know Im supposed to put consequences in place but when the consequences just mean they go out anyway Im running out of ideas

They probably wouldn’t want to go out without their phones. Smash them, show you’re serious about them sorting out their behaviour. Tell them the WiFi is going next if they don’t sort themselves out. Stick to your threats / promises. Make them listen.

stuckntired · 14/09/2026 20:55

SouthLondonMum22 · 14/09/2026 20:33

What's the point in moving schools? They are both running wild and the one that moved would just refuse to go.

Why are they allowed games in their bedroom, phones and electric bikes? They They are earned and they certainly don't deserve them.

Honestly, school would be the least of my concerns. I'd be more worried that they are going to end up arrested in the near future. Or hurt if they wind the wrong person up.

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They dont own electric bikes I should have made that clearer sorry. They just use ones belonging to other boys and thats part of the problem

I do take their phones. I have taken them both away loads of times and they are constantly on at me about getting them back and it just wears you down after a while. Same with grounding them. I take things away and tell them they arent going out then they just go out anyway. I cant physically stop them leaving the house and it just turns into another massive argument

I have reached out for help quite a few times and Ive spoken to school and other people about what I can actually do but I just keep getting passed around. Nobody seems to actually help me manage them. I know Im supposed to put consequences in place but when the consequences just mean they go out anyway Im running out of ideas

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worldshottestmom · 14/09/2026 20:51

Didn't read til the end as it just seems to be more instances of the same behaviour but wow.

Firstly, biggest thing I've taken from this is that you think your DS2 ruined DS1, and they will know that, too. Likely why DS2 is quite so bad tbh, he thinks the other is the favourite, the smart one, etc etc. Tears him down because he's insecure about himself.

I don't think there's much you can do on your own here. I would ask other agencies like social care about different routes you can take in managing their behaviour and instilling proper discipline into them. Sadly, this should have been done at the first sign of trouble in y7 (or better yet earlier). It will be extremely difficult now.

It's a shame you can't make them join the army tbh. They need real discipline and clearly are not getting it. People on here telling you to discipline them is pointless as you need someone to teach you the skillset to do so, and again, it's rather late.

I also am not sure why you're really worried about GCSEs if they have no interest in school and just mess around. My primary concern would be to address their god awful behaviour and honestly they should have been excluded long ago in the interest of the other children having to put up with them.

I do feel for you in that this is a really hard situation to be in. I just don't think anyone here is going to give you the golden answer you are looking for.

Should you move them to a new school? What would be the point? Thats just moving the problem from A to B instead of addressing it. Get support from whichever services you can to get them under control.

FurForksSake · 14/09/2026 20:51

Call social care and tell them you need help, reach out to the family centre, work with school and get the support and skills you need to step in to manage this.

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