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AIBU to think of course all the anti-trans posts on this website and others are leading to real life harm?

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helpfulucy · 14/09/2026 15:39

Just seen a video of a trans woman minding her business in a train station getting horribly bullied by some Tommy Robinson wanna-be and couldn't help but think back to all the aggressive threads I've seen on Mumsnet.

Pages and pages of vilifying innocent trans people, calling them perverts and all sorts with zero evidence of anything of the sort of course would lead to people like this harassing and attacking trans people in public. I've see a few of so-called GC brigade say 'this isn't what we wanted' but it is the end, isn't it? If you do see trans people as disgusting abusive perverts trying to sneak into your changing rooms and hurt your daughter, you'd want them to be bashed in public yeah?

Am I wrong to think their chickens are coming home to roost and certain posters will want to claim they never had a hand in it all?

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spannasaurus · 15/09/2026 18:18

MintGr33n · 15/09/2026 18:16

Plenty of deletions all over MN trans threads. Have you been asleep?Not enough though and MN are going to have to own the damage their shitty moderation does.

Many of those deleted posts are by TRAs. The majority of the deleted threads have been started by TRAs often those that have been previously banned for being abusive

molinint · 15/09/2026 18:17

MintGr33n · 15/09/2026 18:02

It isn’t evidence. It’s one extreme case. There have been several stories in the media recently re female teachers being prosecuted for seducing male and female pupils. Does that make all female teachers predators?

No, but we separate staff toilets and children’s toilets for that reason.

What people are saying is, not all trans women are predators but they are 100% men. All trans women are men. And as we keep men out of women’s single sex spaces for safeguarding, then all men including trans women should stay out.

Just as adult female staff should not be using the little girls toilets at school.

REMEMBERthemALL · 15/09/2026 18:17

MintGr33n · 15/09/2026 18:06

Vile posts the like of which you see on MN is causing the trans community to be persecuted. Maybe read and process a bit slower then you may comprehend.

What vile posts?

Merely stating facts is not vile. Facts are facts. Saying that sex based rights are important is not vile. Wanting biological man not to enter women's spaces is not vile.

What is vile is TRAs threatening to rape biological women with various things because they believe sex matters 🤔

Hoardasurass · 15/09/2026 18:17

AmberTigerEyes · 15/09/2026 17:11

I have seen posts that have said trans people are all pedophiles and the gender ideology is a conspiracy to make sex between adults and children legal. I have seen posts mocking and celebrating when a trans child is murdered with comments that most certainly would have caused harm. I have seen posts that have called for mass detention and imprisonment in camps of trans people. I have seen posts that advise child abuse when a child is questioning their identity instead of educating them.

I very much doubt that as all of those things that you claim to have seen would breach talk guidelines and would likely get the posters banned.
What do you class as child abuse when it comes to confused children?
I ask because for TRAs that would be anything other than complete affirmation and immediate medical transition.
What you will see is people advising watchful waiting and removing harmful influences which is the exact opposite of child abuse

ArabellaScott · 15/09/2026 18:17

'You lot'.

'Vile'

'Should be ashamed'

And we are supposed to be the ones who are not being civil. Good lord.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/09/2026 18:16

MintGr33n · 15/09/2026 18:14

Even Cass has identified and highlighted how trans children are being used as political weapons, that’s you lot- on MN, a parenting site supposed tos portents, all parents and it’s vile. Calling parents child abusers, trying to portray all trans people as predators. It’s vile discrimination and weaponising children. MN should be ashamed for not dealing with it robustly enough.

Oh, “you lot” again. Sweeping generalisations are against talk guidelines for everyone, not just GC feminists.

MintGr33n · 15/09/2026 18:16

Gloriia · 15/09/2026 18:14

They cba to c&p so we just have to believe that on a thread like this full of calm, polite, reasonable posters we suddenly all start randomly spewing hate and bile. I mean it's all they've got to make stuff up tbf.

Plenty of deletions all over MN trans threads. Have you been asleep?Not enough though and MN are going to have to own the damage their shitty moderation does.

backformoreofthesame · 15/09/2026 18:15

MintGr33n · 15/09/2026 18:11

Not really. It isn’t truth being spoken but vile misinformation, manipulation and plain old discrimination. People will die and then finally something will be done.

Women die all the time at the hands of men - why do you think that will change now ?

oh - hang on you don’t care about them
because they are women

you fear a transgender person will
be killed by a … woman radicalised here ? I would be most surprised ! Surely it’s more likely that a man will be the killer ?

truth is being spoken. Transgender male people are committing violent and sexual offences at rates only see in men. That is the truth. They are not behaving on average like women because on average women are not violent like men are.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/09/2026 18:15

helpfulucy · 15/09/2026 18:11

@Gloriia @Ereshkigalangcleg @Shedmistress

Would you consider the quoted posts above to be abusive, extreme or indeed transphobic? They are proof of a number of so called GCs, both on and off mumsnet calling for more abuse towards trans women. Do you condemn these posters?

I haven’t seen the specific video in question. So I don’t know if he was a fetishist or not and I’m not going to comment on what other people think about it. I disagree that people should harass people in the street. Hope that helps.

MintGr33n · 15/09/2026 18:14

Even Cass has identified and highlighted how trans children are being used as political weapons, that’s you lot- on MN, a parenting site supposed tos portents, all parents and it’s vile. Calling parents child abusers, trying to portray all trans people as predators. It’s vile discrimination and weaponising children. MN should be ashamed for not dealing with it robustly enough.

Gloriia · 15/09/2026 18:14

REMEMBERthemALL · 15/09/2026 18:11

Can you screenshot them and post because I've been on here a while and not seen those at all.

Make a claim then show your evidence please.

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They cba to c&p so we just have to believe that on a thread like this full of calm, polite, reasonable posters we suddenly all start randomly spewing hate and bile. I mean it's all they've got to make stuff up tbf.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/09/2026 18:12

MintGr33n · 15/09/2026 18:11

Not really. It isn’t truth being spoken but vile misinformation, manipulation and plain old discrimination. People will die and then finally something will be done.

Where is the misinformation. Specifics, please.

Bitsostuff · 15/09/2026 18:12

MintGr33n · 15/09/2026 18:06

Vile posts the like of which you see on MN is causing the trans community to be persecuted. Maybe read and process a bit slower then you may comprehend.

Vile posts like "women's safety, privacy and dignity are being compromised by the blurring of sex and gender" or "gender is a collection of regressive stereotypes and not the same a biological sex" ? Or more like "castrating children is wrong"? Yeah, poor them.

Switch off the gaslight, it doesn't work any more.

ArabellaScott · 15/09/2026 18:12

MintGr33n · 15/09/2026 17:51

How? All trans people aren’t predators and women’s spaces isn’t what this thread is about.

Any group of men will contain a proportion who are predators/abusive.

We cannot tell the ones with good intentions from the ones with bad intent.

Gloriia · 15/09/2026 18:11

MintGr33n · 15/09/2026 18:06

Vile posts the like of which you see on MN is causing the trans community to be persecuted. Maybe read and process a bit slower then you may comprehend.

What vile posts, like men should not use women only facilities and children should not 'transition'?

What is 'vile' about that.

REMEMBERthemALL · 15/09/2026 18:11

AmberTigerEyes · 15/09/2026 17:11

I have seen posts that have said trans people are all pedophiles and the gender ideology is a conspiracy to make sex between adults and children legal. I have seen posts mocking and celebrating when a trans child is murdered with comments that most certainly would have caused harm. I have seen posts that have called for mass detention and imprisonment in camps of trans people. I have seen posts that advise child abuse when a child is questioning their identity instead of educating them.

Can you screenshot them and post because I've been on here a while and not seen those at all.

Make a claim then show your evidence please.

MintGr33n · 15/09/2026 18:11

backformoreofthesame · 15/09/2026 18:08

Truth is vile?

asking for explanations is vile?

what exactly is vile?

the fact that you can’t argue with it ? Kind of like a foot stomp ?

Not really. It isn’t truth being spoken but vile misinformation, manipulation and plain old discrimination. People will die and then finally something will be done.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/09/2026 18:11

backformoreofthesame · 15/09/2026 18:08

Truth is vile?

asking for explanations is vile?

what exactly is vile?

the fact that you can’t argue with it ? Kind of like a foot stomp ?

I think that’s pretty much it. This entire thread as well as large swathes of the internet are just one big foot stamp that women are having the wrong opinions.

helpfulucy · 15/09/2026 18:11

helpfulucy · 15/09/2026 17:31

I've quoted several on this thread that have said

''a lot of chaps are well aware that public cross-dressers are compulsively displaying a fetish. Not everyone is prepared to accept that.''

@IHaveQuestionsLotsOfQuestions said 'I've seen that video and as far as I'm concerned, all it shows is two men being twats in different ways.
One is indulging his fetish in public and co-opting non-consenting onlookers as his fetish props.' and 'Most men who pretend to be women are fetishists. They are straight men who have wanked themselves into autogynephilia.
I said what I said.'

And as stated above, this KJK said, "I don’t care if perverts are treated badly by others in public. The more torment and shame the better, if you ask me."

As for her being banned, I don't know, maybe she is secretly one of the first two posters because they all appear to be saying the same things. Than anyone deemed to be wearing feminine clothes when you think they shouldn't is a dangerous perverts who want to hurt women and children. How you can say those things and no expect people to eventually take matters into their own hands is beyond me.

I don't think it's an extreme view that most people believe paedophiles should be immediately jailed if not shot in the street. To continue to tar an entire group of people, with absolutely zero evidence, is incitement. The same as saying all immigrants are rapists. If you go around spouting that you can't then be shocked when they try to burn down the hotels.

@Gloriia @Ereshkigalangcleg @Shedmistress

Would you consider the quoted posts above to be abusive, extreme or indeed transphobic? They are proof of a number of so called GCs, both on and off mumsnet calling for more abuse towards trans women. Do you condemn these posters?

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/09/2026 18:10

MintGr33n · 15/09/2026 18:06

Vile posts the like of which you see on MN is causing the trans community to be persecuted. Maybe read and process a bit slower then you may comprehend.

Which posts that you see on MN are “causing the trans community to be persecuted”, and how is that different from people simply not buying your ideology and having their own concerns about men in womens spaces? I mean, I’m indulging you, I think it’s nonsense.

Hoardasurass · 15/09/2026 18:09

AmberTigerEyes · 15/09/2026 17:04

It has a heavy US focus, but they did mention a few British women like Kellie Jay Keen and how in seeking support for single sex spaces, the far right radicalised her into Islamaphobia and then into trad wife territory where she has partnered with forced birth organisations and publicly stated she is willing to give up abortion rights. It also morphed her activism into the more patriarchal segregation of the sexes, biological essentialism that says women are inferior, weaker and need to be protected and all that entails.

I mean she was banned from MN for good reason. Those posts were doing harm.

She was banned for speaking to clearly back in the days when we couldn't call gender ideology a cult (still can get deleted for it). She has always been clear that shes not a feminist but has her own womens rights activism.
Her disapproval of the way women and girls are treated under Islam maybe uncomfortable for some to hear but are based in fact and come from conversations with women who have escaped Islam and those who still live under it in Islamic countries, conversations about being forced to where a burka and/or niqab, conversations about forced marriages and fmg.
Imho anyone who cares about womens rights should be concerned about shariah law and what it means for women, just look at Iran and Afghanistan and the way women are treated there.

As for forced birth groups (i assume that you mean pro life groups) she worked with them as they were the only groups in America who would work with her and help keep her safe from the violent TRAs who had already attacked her and were threatening to kill her in the US, have you ever heard the phrase "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"?
Could you link to where she says she would give up abortion rights so we can see what the context of her saying it was (if she actually said it).
As for her being a "trad wife" she was always a stay at home mum.
Really you need to stop trying to retrofit America politics and religion to uk feminism as the dont align and you should actually listen to what kjk says herself rather than what some America left wing progressive says she has said before you judge her.
Oh and before you accuse me of being her disciple I agree with some of what she says and stands for but not other things

backformoreofthesame · 15/09/2026 18:08

Truth is vile?

asking for explanations is vile?

what exactly is vile?

the fact that you can’t argue with it ? Kind of like a foot stomp ?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/09/2026 18:07

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/09/2026 18:04

It is evidence, not in isolation but it is a piece of evidence. If you want to make your case, go ahead. I’m sure some will agree.

Also you’re arguing with your own straw man. No one says that all TIMs are predators.

MintGr33n · 15/09/2026 18:06

backformoreofthesame · 15/09/2026 18:02

So because not all transgender males are harming women we must ignore the fact that as a group they behave as badly as men in general? And treat them as women even when they act like men ?

sorry - the logic there escapes me . Perhaps it could be explained more slowly ?

Vile posts the like of which you see on MN is causing the trans community to be persecuted. Maybe read and process a bit slower then you may comprehend.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/09/2026 18:05

backformoreofthesame · 15/09/2026 18:02

So because not all transgender males are harming women we must ignore the fact that as a group they behave as badly as men in general? And treat them as women even when they act like men ?

sorry - the logic there escapes me . Perhaps it could be explained more slowly ?

It’s a bit “look over there, a squirrel, stop talking about it”.

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