AIBU to think of course all the anti-trans posts on this website and others are leading to real life harm?

ED consultant here. Ive had 6 trans lives lost in the past 6 months alone. The bullying is horrific. I understand non medical staff aren't educated that being trans is a real thing but the ignorance is horrifying. They are just trying to live like everyone else.

ED consultant here. Ive had 6 trans lives lost in the past 6 months alone. The bullying is horrific. I understand non medical staff aren't educated that being trans is a real thing but the ignorance is horrifying. They are just trying to live like everyone else.

But then why does that mean they get to use women’s spaces? Why do trans activists not do a whole campaign on getting men to budge up, be kind and accept their GNC brethren? Why should women give up single sex spaces because of men? What benefit do women get out of this?

It's not a plop and run I just had a family to give dinner to and put to bed. Sorry not all of us are glued to the board all hours of the day.

So to answer some replies

1. I specified it wasn't just mumsnet adding to the vitriol but also several sites like it. The idea that hateful posting on the internet hasn't lead to real world harm in a number of ways for several groups of minorities is preposterous and dangerous to ignore how we got to where we are.

2.I personally believe that often times women are erased from social movements, including the bad ones. I'm sure many of the racist thugs marching against immigrants have wives/girlfriends who agree with them but just had to stay home for one reason or another so yes I think certain women play a part in how violent men behave. Maybe if women stopped breeding with them their penchant for violence might disappear.

3.Of course I care about women being harassed in public but going after trans people does sod all to help them. My honest opinion is that all this energy towards trans people and how they need to be banned to keep woman and girls safe is just a distraction to help some women pretend they can protect themselves from SA. When the truth is, it's basically legal in this country. With a less than 2% the fact is there is very little reason for predatory men not to do what they like, and no sign on a door will stop them.

Now I don't know about the rest of you, but I have work in the morning so will be signing off for the night.

YANBU. It's been bubbling under the surface on here for years, but only the past year or two become more overt. (I've been around since practically the dawn of time)
People openly calling trans women sexual fetishists/perverts (or using in gang codes that they think nobody else understands to try and get away with it)
Then all riling each other up over something or other that may not even be true, but don't let rationale get in the way....
Anyone trying to engage who's not "of same mind" is demonised or ridiculed.
Of course it's going to affect in real life eventually.

We’re talking specifically about the ones on the anti-trans side, though. We know people visit from other sites and places and we can’t know their sex, What is curious is that men - more than a few - post as ‘feminists’ on FWR unobstructed. What could or should be a single-sex space, ironically, isn’t.

No, that wasn’t what I meant by “plenty”, although I don’t doubt there are some in that category.

I meant there are many male posters that participate regularly on the board as ‘feminists’.

ED consultant here. Ive had 6 trans lives lost in the past 6 months alone. The bullying is horrific. I understand non medical staff aren't educated that being trans is a real thing but the ignorance is horrifying. They are just trying to live like everyone else.

It's not a plop and run I just had a family to give dinner to and put to bed. Sorry not all of us are glued to the board all hours of the day.

So to answer some replies

1. I specified it wasn't just mumsnet adding to the vitriol but also several sites like it. The idea that hateful posting on the internet hasn't lead to real world harm in a number of ways for several groups of minorities is preposterous and dangerous to ignore how we got to where we are.

2.I personally believe that often times women are erased from social movements, including the bad ones. I'm sure many of the racist thugs marching against immigrants have wives/girlfriends who agree with them but just had to stay home for one reason or another so yes I think certain women play a part in how violent men behave. Maybe if women stopped breeding with them their penchant for violence might disappear.

3.Of course I care about women being harassed in public but going after trans people does sod all to help them. My honest opinion is that all this energy towards trans people and how they need to be banned to keep woman and girls safe is just a distraction to help some women pretend they can protect themselves from SA. When the truth is, it's basically legal in this country. With a less than 2% the fact is there is very little reason for predatory men not to do what they like, and no sign on a door will stop them.

Now I don't know about the rest of you, but I have work in the morning so will be signing off for the night.

And there are many male posters posting on FWR claiming to be women.

But be honest, in your ideal world, are they? Or do you really dream of a society where trans people don't exist?

No, that wasn’t what I meant by “plenty”, although I don’t doubt there are some in that category.

I meant there are many male posters that participate regularly on the board as ‘feminists’.

I think plenty gives an overly optimistic impression of the numbers of male posters amongst the regular posters on FWR.

Mind you, it could be said that a large % of those who support male people accessing female single sex provisions may be male posters. Is that what you mean by ‘plenty’?

Otherwise it would be more accurate to say a small % of FWR regulars are male posters.

Plenty of FWR posters are male - known males.

Plenty of FWR posters are male - known males.

So you’ll have screenshots then?…..

The fear of being attacked by men is one of the reasons transwomen don't feel safe using the Gents.

Who said the posters I am referring to are women? Mumsnet is in fact not a single sex space

Just seen a video of a trans woman minding her business in a train station getting horribly bullied by some Tommy Robinson wanna-be and couldn't help but think back to all the aggressive threads I've seen on Mumsnet.

Pages and pages of vilifying innocent trans people, calling them perverts and all sorts with zero evidence of anything of the sort of course would lead to people like this harassing and attacking trans people in public. I've see a few of so-called GC brigade say 'this isn't what we wanted' but it is the end, isn't it? If you do see trans people as disgusting abusive perverts trying to sneak into your changing rooms and hurt your daughter, you'd want them to be bashed in public yeah?

Am I wrong to think their chickens are coming home to roost and certain posters will want to claim they never had a hand in it all?

Most of the debate here is ok, because it focuses o legitimate women's rights but there is still quite a lot of the 'cross dressing is a dirty fetish' narrative here, which I find really offensive. That tars trans people with the same brush , and is just not the case.