AIBU to think of course all the anti-trans posts on this website and others are leading to real life harm?

As a pp said @helpfulucy you are simply a misogynist. You are blaming a group of unrelated women for some nasty street harassment by a man to another man. It has zero to do with anyone here. And most people reading your thread think you're wrong.

Hope this helps.

Ok apologies if I have said the wrong thing. I don't have a dog in this fight. I will bow out ..Packing to go away for a few days. Happy debating 😁

So because we will never be 100% safe let’s not bother, is that right?

You don’t want to even TRY to make the world safer for women and children?

Sorry but I'm not going to get into a debate about this..I would like to think we can all respect each others views..

I absolutely will never respect the views of people who think predatory men should be in women’s single sex spaces. Why should I? And why can’t men be respectful and follow the law and stay the fuck out our spaces?

So your message, which you won’t debate is “Women STFU, be kind and budge up for predatory men”?

Yes I agree that how I feel doesnt reflect the majority of female views. Also I'm not sure the pages of Mumsnet will necessarily reflect the majority of female views..

A lot of rape counselling is group therapy, plus the counsellor themselves. It’s very clear how poor your understanding is of this issue, and you don’t seem to be able to back any of it up, so not sure what you're hoping to achieve. Men are not women. Sometimes women need things based on their sex.

@TheKeatingFive I am not well versed in the ins and outs of this debate. I was only referring to communal spaces.Clearly places such as a rape counselling room are not communal and , ( as far as I'm aware) only one woman would ever be seen in each.

Really? You think women on Mumsnet are responsible for men being violent and abusive? Drawing a direct line from posters being concerned about single sex spaces to a man being abusive and vile to a trans-identifying man is bizarre. So are you suggesting that because men may be violent, we should stop asking for our right to single sex spaces? Bizarre.

Oh you’re back OP. 85% of 1029 posters think YABU.

Most men who pretend to be women are fetishists. They are straight men who have wanked themselves into autogynephilia.

I said what I said.

describing a group of people as anti-trans could be considered derogatory.

It is usually also false. Because many people that some people consider ‘anti-trans’ are not that at all, they include female people with transgender identities in their activism but not male people.

It has become a lazy way to demonise feminists and women and girl’s rights campaigners. But surely you know that if you personally use that term to label people.

Well it wouldn’t be would it, where is?

This @helpfulucy

A man picks on a man in a dress and its a problem caused by mumsnet.

It's not, it's a man problem. Men attack women every day, does that worry you too, or are you only concerned when a man in a dress is picked on.

I’m sure this is all leading up to “why do you allow men to post in FWR if you say you want female only spaces” and it’s all very silly because however annoying a male poster might be, he would be less welcome when I was in a female toilet or changing room due to the fact that I don’t want any men in there, including “feminist” men or men who claim to be women.

Rape crisis used to be ‘safe’ at least from makes. Similar to domestic violence support. I feel safer in female only toilets. How you feel doesn’t reflect the majority of female views.

I can think of at least 5 regular or semi regular antagonists who I strongly believe to be men.

I don't think male people belong in women's spaces. I think TW are male people. So that includes them. And that's all there is to it for me. I don't wish anyone any harm, I don't judge anyone as a pervert, I condemn violence snd abuse of trans people. But I want women's spaces to be for women only. I don't think that's unreasonable.

This.

I have asked this many times but I would really love to know what is so offensive, problematic, far right ‘anti trans’ about women wanting their legal rights to single sex spaces upheld?

Can anyone enlighten me?

No not really. What “anti-trans” are these posts about?

How are you defining “trans”? The issue for me is self ID, which enables any man who says he’s a woman to potentially access spaces that should be female only, like rape crisis, domestic violence support, changing rooms. Women have always been kind to the very small numbers of trans identifying men with gender dysphoria; but self ID enables men with autogynophilia and a power/control kick to demand access to female spaces. That’s where the issue lies. No-one supports physical violence, we just want to feel safe and have dignity.

I know, for example, a type of poster who I would label “community disrupters” and I often realise when they have changed name. I don’t call it out if it’s not against guidelines. If I think they are PBP then I report.

Are you including all the TRA male posters? If not, it’ll be a hell of a lot more males posting than 10. You can usually tell because after the first few rounds of no, their male entitlement and rage kicks in. If people are respectful and pleasant and wish to support feminism, what does it matter what sex they are? Unless they’re posting MRA rhetoric, how can you tell? I might be male for all you know