AIBU to think of course all the anti-trans posts on this website and others are leading to real life harm?

Oh yes. I knew it was missing something. @dreamiesformolly is that better?

Maybe a flamenco dance troupe could have been hired to soften it a bit?

💃💃💃

I wouldn’t be surprised @Rollingpinofdoom

You’d be surprised how often I have to restrain myself from typing what I really want to say to these bozos

As to what tone would be acceptable? 💐💐💐💐 men are not women and never will beeeee 💐💐💐💐💐. 🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗. Is that a nice enough tone? I even did flowers and jazz hands.

Anything. You apparently don't like the tone so how do women say 'No' on here without upsetting men in a dress in some random streets?

Are you saying that what you see on Mumsnet is in any way applicable to this?

If so that’s an outrageous claim.

Can you give us evidence that what’s on here is equivalent to ‘stab your local terf’ or ‘terfs can suck on my girl d*ck’? Because I’d be very interested to see that.

'men are afraid women will laugh at them, women are afraid men will kill them'.

The double standards are glaring, and depressing.

Men who say they are scared to share spaces with men for fear of abuse are vulnerable and marginalised and must be supplied with women's spaces to soothe their hurt feelings.

Women who say they are scared to shared spaces with men for fear of abuse are bigoted and must be attacked.

don't forget that the actual TERF is a slur site is a literal physical violence against 'trans people' - even when all it is doing is holding up a mirror to their own statements!

Then you’re a terf too? What’s the problem then? You’re a terf on mumsnet, vilified by “everyone” apparently

of course it is - you don't enter an area set up for debate, criticise it and then when asked to evidence your complaint waffle and say it is not about specific words and posts but the general tone!

a) words and posts make up the general tone
b) you don't get to set constraints on posters' tone (as long as it is within MN guidelines then it is fine!)

it is justifiable that women should be furious with the arrogance of men who want to walk all over them, with men who want to remove their rights, with men who want to invade their spaces...

considering that, it is amazing how reasonable is the tone on here!

Also ensures transmen/TIFs have their maternity and pregnancy rights protected, of course.

“Yah op you’re totes right how awful other women are for saying no to men without grovelling, I don’t really want to make any sort of case because I don’t know how and I realise there probably isn’t one, but I just want you to know that the 84% of 1134 posters in the poll who disagree with you are just wrong and in reality everyone agrees that these women are awful”

So women saying men are not women is comparable to the stuff on TERF is a slur site? Wow!

So you agree with what women are saying, you don’t like the tone? Would you like it better if you imagined we were saying it with simpering smiles on our faces
personally I don’t like the death threats, rape threats and threats of violence issued against women for saying no to males in female spaces. What’s your opinion? Do you believe women should be “raped with a splintery rolling pin” for saying men are not women? Do you think feminist conferences should be disrupted with mobs of angry men banging on the windows and screaming abuse?

Suggestions for what?

Neither extreme is OK. Obviously.

Except that I don't 'think women shouldn’t have single sex spaces because men want to use them'. What makes you assume that?

Ah, back to ‘tone’.

Can you give me some examples of this ‘tone’

How does it compare the tone of the material you see here?

https://terfisaslur.com/

of course we are not...

it has nothing to do with gender which is an external societal of-the-moment snapshot of stereotypes for men and women.

it has everything to do with sex

women need spaces restricted to only their sex
men do as well - though far less

• toilets
• changing rooms
• prisons
• hospital wards
• school-trip / uniform organisations' sleeping arrangements
• etc.

women do not want and must not have men in those spaces
mixed-gender (as well as being a wishy-washy description) allows men who pretend to be women to join women in those spaces...
gender-neutral also allows that as the chances of having every space rigorously isolated is zero...

the 'trans' debate is fascinating because even two year olds I know can tell the difference between men and women - they know that they are a boy or girl etc.

and biology /reality says you can not change

so the debate doesn't exist - we all know that a man is a man even when pretending to be a woman - and the simple approach is to keep men and women separate when necessary

If you think women shouldn’t have single sex spaces because men want to use them, what else are you?

Feel free to make your suggestions!

Come on. It's not about specific words or posts, it's about the general tone of MN where this issue is concerned.

OP I completely agree with you, although in MN world that's probably enough to get me labelled a TRA. 🙄

'Am I being reasonable?'
'84% of people say yes, what is your solution to the problem?'
'Get rid of all safeguards so that perverts are safe on our streets'.

Are you equally as keen to talk about Sarah Jane Baker leading several trans marches and calling for violence against women? As an actual violent criminal, I'm sure you'll be more concerned about him than KJK, right? Or are you simply another dick pandering misogynist after all?