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I should always be welcome in DP's home, regardless of who's there - AIBU?

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SecretsAndLies77 · 14/09/2026 09:24

I will try to not make this too long, but also not drip feed. Please help me distinguish reasonable actions from my own emotions because, to put it simply, everything's at stake.

Been with DP for 4 years and, on the whole, it's a very loving relationship. He's good to me and my kids, fun to be around, reliable and helpful, contributes financially to my household. We don't live together but spend much (most) of the week at each other's homes (although more mine than his), as well as every weekend and holidays.

At the same time, it's been a turbulent relationship (I know that sounds odd after what I've just said, but it can be both good and turbulent, as it's about very defined areas of problems, i.e. one problem = his adult daughters). I have a good relationship with his youngest DD (early 20s) who lives with him, but his eldest (30) who lives away doesn't want to have anything to do with me. At times she's been really rude to me and various members of my family. Most recent example is a message she sent where she was incredibly rude and disrespectful (before blocking me, so I couldn't even respond - a coward's move, IMO). My DP did reprimand her, sort of, via text and heavily prompted by me, which I hate as I don't think it's my job to stand up for this relationship and my dignity, but his. I think left to his own devices he would just always avoid all conflict. He is very scared she will cut him out of his life.

I feel I've come to the end with being able to accept that he doesn't stand up for me of his own free will, and that when he sees her he doesn't feel a shred of annoyance, resentment or anger about the awful ways she's behaved. I understand we all love our children, and I understand he's scared of losing her. I'm not even saying that he should necessarily show her that he's upset about her bad behaviour, but simply that he should feel something for me, the way she's treated me (in other words, show ME - show some kind of outrage, empathy, solidarity). If someone mistreated my DP, even if it was my kids, I'd be pretty livid. I know people are different, and I know men and women can be very different in their emotional processing. But still. How can it be true that he loves me, but that he doesn't feel anything when someone repeatedly hurts me?

The other thing is that, when she comes to stay at his, although at all other times I'm (more than) welcome in his house, there's an expectation that I won't come while she's there. Now, I get that it's her former home, she still has a room there. But, at all other times, I have complete access to his house, not just that but he's even repeatedly hosted friends of mine for long weekends (because the house is big and has spare rooms and bathrooms), but when his daughter is there, the quiet understanding is that I'm not welcome. But, just as an example, we're spending Xmas at mine this year and he of course invited her too. I knew she would say no, but that's not the point. So, she's meant to be always welcome in my house, but I'm not only not welcome at family events, but also my own partner's house when she's there? It strikes me as very unfair and unreasonable.

I've been living with this for a while, and this morning I woke up and thought, I don't know if I love him any more. This has seriously eroded my feelings for him. It's a huge shame, as four years is a lot of time together and he's amazing in many ways and I love(d) him possibly more than any other man before him, including my ex husband. But this continued unfairness and indignity has eaten away at the core of our connection.

YABU - this is a reasonable compromise in a complicated family dynamic because parents will always put their children first, even when they're nearly 30, and most women would find a way to live with this, even if it hurts them

YANBU - this is a major breach of love and loyalty towards me on his side, and if he's not prepared to let her know that his home is always open to me, I should walk away even after 4 years together.

Can I just say (if you're read this far), if you're not divorced and in a relationship with a man who's got adult kids, you won't have any kind of realistic perspective on a situation of this kind. I'm looking for some thoughtful and considered responses based in first hand experience of these kinds of dynamics - thank you (and I'll disregard any responses that are rude or unkind, as often I see "pile ons" when it comes to these kinds of questions)

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Ellie1015 · 14/09/2026 16:32

It sounds like he hasn't stopped you coming over, but you both know it is likely she will leave. So you are not banned from the house you are just doing him the courtesy of staying away while dd around to facilitate him having a relationship with his dd. As long as it isnt too frequent I wouldnt mind.

I also wouldn't mind her being invited at Christmas but if she said yes i would expect this meant a new start and willingness to have at least a basic civil relationship. As she has said no then nothing to worry about, you get the Christmas you want.

canklesmctacotits · 14/09/2026 16:30

If you don't actually want to live with him, what's the issue? Just don't cross paths with her. Let her have him when they agree to meet, you have the rest of him. You don't even want him for yourself full-time, why would you want him to restrict her access to him for when you're busy doing other things?

SecretsAndLies77 · 14/09/2026 16:22

TheOccupier · 14/09/2026 10:23

What does the younger daughter (the one you get on with) think about all of this?

She has said that her sister is always like this and once she decides she doesn't like someone, that's it. That's all I know, and I heard this second hand (from DP) so I can only guess that it's true but can't say a billion percent that's exactly what was said.

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SecretsAndLies77 · 14/09/2026 16:15

Switchnow · 14/09/2026 15:30

The tone of your reply seemed a little outraged to me. 🤷‍♀️

Genuinely not. It's just a private matter between a man and a woman who're in a relationship.
Also, it seems from a few of the comments about this that people assume she knows about it - I'm pretty sure she doesn't, because, why would he tell her?

Again, it's a private agreement between us. It's not any staggering amount of money (nor is he some rich old dude I want to marry for his money. I'm a successful professional woman myself, so I don't need that). It was a matter of showing commitment to us as a unit, and him being a higher earner, it makes sense (to us). It's really no one else's business. My kids don't know either and they benefit from it, so why would his daughter who lives 100 miles away.

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Switchnow · 14/09/2026 16:09

SecretsAndLies77 · 14/09/2026 16:01

Ah, fair enough :-) I know that various people will comment, I guess I was just trying to say I'm not really interested in the opinion of someone who's never been in these kinds of dynamics, because it's totally different from a first marriage where you have DC together. Of course people have opinions, but it's like having an opinion about the landing on the Moon even though you've only ever been in an airplane - it's just not the same thing.

And yet there have been posts from people who have been in your situation who haven’t agreed with you, and others who haven’t but whose advice you’ve listened to.

Empathy and thought don’t always depend on having been in a situation, and don’t always magically appear even if someone has.

SecretsAndLies77 · 14/09/2026 16:09

dcadmamagain · 14/09/2026 16:00

So where do you and him see relationship going- do you intend to ever live together? Because surely this won’t work?

He thinks it's going to change over time and we will live together! He doesn't want to live on his own when his younger daughter leaves home, which could be relatively soon. It's a bit crazy tbh. I don't really want to. I did at one point, but don't any more as I've come to seriously value my peace.

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SecretsAndLies77 · 14/09/2026 16:04

Passaggressfedup · 14/09/2026 15:59

What would you do if one of your children had a massive fall out with him and be er wanted to see him again? It could happen. Would you force your child to accept that your partner can come whenever he wants regardless of how they feel?

I have thought about this a lot. The answer is no, I wouldn't force my children, but they are children. They aren't adults. Also, it's really difficult for me to try to imagine this because my children would never do that.

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SecretsAndLies77 · 14/09/2026 16:01

Switchnow · 14/09/2026 15:26

I did read it. I think some of her behaviour sounds annoying for sure, but some of your responses are also a bit unusual so I guess I’m more conscious that we’re viewing her through your lens. You’ve also said you’ve only met her 6 or 7 times in 4 years so it’s hard to see how you can understand the reasons for her behaviour (or indeed how it really affects you). You’ve got a good deal with a man who spends most of his time at your house (presumably for your convenience) and contributes financially to a household he doesn’t live in. But you’re upset that he also wants to maintain his relationship with his own daughter and has found the only viable solution to do so.

Posts that say ‘only engage if you share these experiences’ are highly likely to get lots of engagement!

Ah, fair enough :-) I know that various people will comment, I guess I was just trying to say I'm not really interested in the opinion of someone who's never been in these kinds of dynamics, because it's totally different from a first marriage where you have DC together. Of course people have opinions, but it's like having an opinion about the landing on the Moon even though you've only ever been in an airplane - it's just not the same thing.

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ThreadGuardDog · 14/09/2026 16:01

Passaggressfedup · 14/09/2026 15:59

What would you do if one of your children had a massive fall out with him and be er wanted to see him again? It could happen. Would you force your child to accept that your partner can come whenever he wants regardless of how they feel?

That’s entirely different though - OP would know what the problem was. In her own case she has no idea what she’s done to make DD dislike her.

dcadmamagain · 14/09/2026 16:00

So where do you and him see relationship going- do you intend to ever live together? Because surely this won’t work?

Passaggressfedup · 14/09/2026 15:59

What would you do if one of your children had a massive fall out with him and be er wanted to see him again? It could happen. Would you force your child to accept that your partner can come whenever he wants regardless of how they feel?

ThreadGuardDog · 14/09/2026 15:59

SpottyPyjama · 14/09/2026 15:50

This shows a very small minded attitude which might contribute to why your partners daughter doesn’t like you.

There is more than one perspective that needs to be considered here. The daughter might have a valid reason to dislike you or she might not, but either way she is more important in his life than you are and she deserves her Dad to stick up for her too. You seem to think it’s all about you.

If DD refuses to be around OP and is rude to her when she is, then l would think at the very least OP is entitled to know why. And if her partner is prepared to allow his DD to be rude to OP then l think OP needs to reconsider the relationship. DD may be important in her dad’s life but not to the extent where she’s allowed to be rude and disrespectful and to ruin his relationship with a long term partner. If OP is genuine and the situation is as she tells it, then yes, it is all about her, because she’s the one whose feelings come behind that of her partner and his daughter - not a position l would want or tolerate for myself.

Passaggressfedup · 14/09/2026 15:57

You me ruined that your partner is conflict avoidant as if that's a flow but it's actually a quality.

It's a good thing to avoid conflict. In his eyes, he has a daughter and a partner he lives who don't like each other. He can't bake either like the other. What other option does he have? He either takes the side of one, and lose the other. Or try to give each what they need separately.

It's okay that he devotes some times to his daughter and it's inevitable that he doesn't give you much attention when he does because he can't give it to both at the same time.

If there's to be a winner, it's you since you share a family life with him AND her sister. Why do you want even more? You'll have your happy family for Christmas and she won't be with her dad and sister. Cut her some slack and enjoy the life you have.

SecretsAndLies77 · 14/09/2026 15:56

JavSurge · 14/09/2026 15:18

I think that if you are honest with yourselves, it's not going to work long term. These aren't issues which are likely to change and I think will bother you more and more.
Given that it is already turbulent only four years in, I would probably call it a day.
He should have told his eldest to butt out without prompting.
I'm also wondering what you see happening in the future with the living arrangements? Four years together but not living together, and I'm just wondering if you are wasting your time OP.

I don't really want to live with anyone, though. My DC are only teenagers. Their dad's home has a new live-in partner and her young child. It's only in my house that my kids are completely free, relaxed and the space is 100% theirs. We don't need to change that. Maybe when they both left home for good I'd reconsider. There was a moment when I thought I did want to live with him, but it was a bad idea and passed quickly.

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SecretsAndLies77 · 14/09/2026 15:54

Passaggressfedup · 14/09/2026 15:09

You still haven't said how the horrible message was communicated to you...

Sent to me directly as a message.

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SecretsAndLies77 · 14/09/2026 15:54

Passaggressfedup · 14/09/2026 15:08

Thank you so much. This is incredibly helpful. I really appreciate you taking the time to write this, and your ideas are the ones I will take forward. This is exactly the conversation I need to have with him
Good luck because in all likelihood, he won't be interested. The suggestion involves talking to her like she's a naughty 12 years old. If he has any common sense, he won't do that just to make you happy.

He doesn't have to say anything at all to her but not interacting with you. It's you who seem.to have an issue with this because you are desperate for him to tell her off. He's not going to and good on him.

Either accept that he will have private time with her when you'll have to bake different arrangements or move on. She's there to stay as she she should be. You've only been in his life 4 years and not even living together. The two are not comparable.

Putting your hostile tone aside, the point is that - while I may have been in his life for 4 years so far - he is expecting us to spend the rest of our life together. I would very much argue that I am the one who's here to stay, whereas she's off living her own life (as she should). The partner is the one who he'll see old age with, whereas kids go and do their own thing.
Anyway, thanks for writing and best wishes to you - we disagree on some fundamentals here.

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ThreadGuardDog · 14/09/2026 15:52

topcat2014 · 14/09/2026 15:46

An adult child has no requirement to have any positive feelings about the partner her parent is with, nor any need for your paths ever to cross.

The parent is entitled, presumably knowing this, to put measures in place so that your paths do not cross.

The parent in this case wants OP and her kids to move in with him, to his DD’s childhood home and where she still has a room. Can’t see any measures that will work for that.

SpottyPyjama · 14/09/2026 15:50

SecretsAndLies77 · 14/09/2026 09:36

And this is exactly why I said that I'm interested in comments only from people who've been in this situation, not first wives... Thank you for your input.

This shows a very small minded attitude which might contribute to why your partners daughter doesn’t like you.

There is more than one perspective that needs to be considered here. The daughter might have a valid reason to dislike you or she might not, but either way she is more important in his life than you are and she deserves her Dad to stick up for her too. You seem to think it’s all about you.

smilingontheinside · 14/09/2026 15:49

TheHateIsNotGood · 14/09/2026 09:40

Perhaps the issue is that your DP contributes financially to your household? She might be viewing you as a bit of a 'gold digger'. She's nearly 30 so probably not as naive as the younger one.

I find this comment strange. What has how her father chooses to spend his money got to do with her? I spend a lot of money on trips, clothing, experiences etc for my DH (second marriage) and it has nothing to do with my AC. My DH has 2 adult children, and like the OP, the one accepts me, messages me, is very happy that their dad is happy. The other rarely contacts their dad unless its to complain about what they haven't got or how bad their life is and never initiates contact but complains to their sibling that they never hear from Dad!! I stay out of it as much as I can and fortunately they live abroad so don't see them much. The only thing I have said is that if the one who, for some reason doesnt like their dad being happy, keeps upsetting him with some of the messages sent then I will message them. I am the one who deals with the fallout which has happened several times in the last 5 years we have been together. He defends them but knows deep down that its a one sided relationship but cant stop trying even though he gets upset. Its ok saying "kids come first" which is true when they are young but these are grown arse adults who have their own lives and probably don't give dad a second thought most of the time. Whilst I have never asked my DH to choose between me and his one child if they continued to be rude to me and he didnt sort it then we would have a problem. As I've said, in my situation I have been honest with my DH about his eldest child and the way they treat him, how I find it distasteful and how, if it affects us ongoing then I will have to say something myself. Not sure OP where you can go with this but if he is always going to allow his daughter to be rude to you then I think you deserve better, imo.

topcat2014 · 14/09/2026 15:46

An adult child has no requirement to have any positive feelings about the partner her parent is with, nor any need for your paths ever to cross.

The parent is entitled, presumably knowing this, to put measures in place so that your paths do not cross.

Franpie · 14/09/2026 15:43

because to me it seems like she does have something I want (his backing).

I don’t think you should want that. Don’t be the reason that he and his DD fall out or don’t see each other. That would be the end of the relationship if you do.

I’m not divorced, but my parents are. It took me a long time to accept my father’s wife. I didn’t like her and she’s still not my cup of tea but here we are.

You are not his wife, you are just a girlfriend in her eyes. And if she wants to go and stay with her dad and her sister without you around then fair enough. She should be able to do that, even if you were on good terms. There’s nothing worse than parents foisting their partners on their kids. She wants quality time with her family, not you and your family.

Not being able to drop in over the infrequent weekends she is visiting seems a strange hill to die on. Also, you suggesting that he should lunch with her in a restaurant and not his home makes you sound like the controlling one, not her.

If I were you, I would keep the door open as you have been but otherwise just not give her any headspace at all. She’ll either come round eventually or decisions will need to be made and discussed as and when you move in together. But for as long as none of you live with each other, it doesn’t really matter.

ThreadGuardDog · 14/09/2026 15:38

Anyahyacinth · 14/09/2026 14:46

I thought you stated you insisted DP say you had plans and sent her away :

”When we were in the earlier stages of the relationship, she would turn up with virtually no notice and expect DP to cancel whatever plan he had with me, to see her. He was initially doing this, but after a few situations I said I wasn't okay with that because my time is also valuable, so if he's made a plan with me I expect him to stick to it. A little bit of notice is not unreasonable to ask for.”

How happy would you be if you made plans with your partner and his DD turned up unannounced and expected him to cancel his plans with you in favour of spending time with her ? On repeat ?

anon2022anon · 14/09/2026 15:36

Can I ask what you would like his response/ reaction to all of this to be?
Would you like him to still be inviting you for dinner on the times that she is visiting?
Why don't you like the reaction that she would leave if you were to come round- isn't that probably the best way for it?

And I can't remember if you said how often she visits, sorry, but say it's a week every 3 months. If the situation was reversed, and that's how often you saw your DP, 4 times a year, due to him being with/ available to his kids and you not being a part of his life in person for that period, would you be accepting to not having his attention during that time? I appreciate this is of her doing, as she has decided not to be around you, but just to reverse the situation.

I also don't think you can treat this the same as if you were living together, as you have decided to live apart for now, partly because you would like your own space/ time- surely this comes under that?

Funandnames · 14/09/2026 15:34

PeonyPanda · 14/09/2026 13:57

Hiya, I’d love to read this study - please could you DM a link if you have it ? Thanks 🙏

I was referring to the Framingham Heart study data:

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24748689/

This is a great article that has a link to the original study and also explains some of the findings I mentioned:

’McDermott and her colleagues found that study participants were 75% more likely to become divorced if a friend is divorced and 33% more likely to end their marriage if a friend of a friend is divorced.’

www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2013/10/21/is-divorce-contagious/

Notasbigasithink · 14/09/2026 15:31

SecretsAndLies77 · 14/09/2026 09:24

I will try to not make this too long, but also not drip feed. Please help me distinguish reasonable actions from my own emotions because, to put it simply, everything's at stake.

Been with DP for 4 years and, on the whole, it's a very loving relationship. He's good to me and my kids, fun to be around, reliable and helpful, contributes financially to my household. We don't live together but spend much (most) of the week at each other's homes (although more mine than his), as well as every weekend and holidays.

At the same time, it's been a turbulent relationship (I know that sounds odd after what I've just said, but it can be both good and turbulent, as it's about very defined areas of problems, i.e. one problem = his adult daughters). I have a good relationship with his youngest DD (early 20s) who lives with him, but his eldest (30) who lives away doesn't want to have anything to do with me. At times she's been really rude to me and various members of my family. Most recent example is a message she sent where she was incredibly rude and disrespectful (before blocking me, so I couldn't even respond - a coward's move, IMO). My DP did reprimand her, sort of, via text and heavily prompted by me, which I hate as I don't think it's my job to stand up for this relationship and my dignity, but his. I think left to his own devices he would just always avoid all conflict. He is very scared she will cut him out of his life.

I feel I've come to the end with being able to accept that he doesn't stand up for me of his own free will, and that when he sees her he doesn't feel a shred of annoyance, resentment or anger about the awful ways she's behaved. I understand we all love our children, and I understand he's scared of losing her. I'm not even saying that he should necessarily show her that he's upset about her bad behaviour, but simply that he should feel something for me, the way she's treated me (in other words, show ME - show some kind of outrage, empathy, solidarity). If someone mistreated my DP, even if it was my kids, I'd be pretty livid. I know people are different, and I know men and women can be very different in their emotional processing. But still. How can it be true that he loves me, but that he doesn't feel anything when someone repeatedly hurts me?

The other thing is that, when she comes to stay at his, although at all other times I'm (more than) welcome in his house, there's an expectation that I won't come while she's there. Now, I get that it's her former home, she still has a room there. But, at all other times, I have complete access to his house, not just that but he's even repeatedly hosted friends of mine for long weekends (because the house is big and has spare rooms and bathrooms), but when his daughter is there, the quiet understanding is that I'm not welcome. But, just as an example, we're spending Xmas at mine this year and he of course invited her too. I knew she would say no, but that's not the point. So, she's meant to be always welcome in my house, but I'm not only not welcome at family events, but also my own partner's house when she's there? It strikes me as very unfair and unreasonable.

I've been living with this for a while, and this morning I woke up and thought, I don't know if I love him any more. This has seriously eroded my feelings for him. It's a huge shame, as four years is a lot of time together and he's amazing in many ways and I love(d) him possibly more than any other man before him, including my ex husband. But this continued unfairness and indignity has eaten away at the core of our connection.

YABU - this is a reasonable compromise in a complicated family dynamic because parents will always put their children first, even when they're nearly 30, and most women would find a way to live with this, even if it hurts them

YANBU - this is a major breach of love and loyalty towards me on his side, and if he's not prepared to let her know that his home is always open to me, I should walk away even after 4 years together.

Can I just say (if you're read this far), if you're not divorced and in a relationship with a man who's got adult kids, you won't have any kind of realistic perspective on a situation of this kind. I'm looking for some thoughtful and considered responses based in first hand experience of these kinds of dynamics - thank you (and I'll disregard any responses that are rude or unkind, as often I see "pile ons" when it comes to these kinds of questions)

TBH she sounds a bit spoiled and entitled. She's not 5 years old ffs, she is a grown adult and needs to start behaving like one.
I do hate all this bullshit that parents must always put their children before anyone else, at all costs, regardless of how they choose to behave! Unless there's a huge back story, being In her 30s she should be mature and adult enough to accept that you are her dad's partner. She doesn't have to like you, she just needs to be civil. Life isn't fair. It never goes the way we all hoped/planned but we just need to get on with it.
How would she like it if her partner/husband wasnt welcome in her dad's house or yours for that matter?
I do feel though that maybe you should respect her time with her father by not going round unless absolutely necessary though as you're just asking for conflict if she's that immature. Why bother poking the bear??
This is (as always) a DP problem as he is the one enabling this behaviour to continue.
And before anyone jumps down my throat, yes I am part of a blended family so I do understand the dynamics of such situations.