Would you hang this in your house?

I made no reference to Hitler, nor suggested any parallel.

I was responding to your post that referenced a Jim'll Fix it badge, and where you went on to say " If the person who makes an award is unworthy and unqualified by virtue of their actions the award itself is meaningless...."

I referenced Nobel as a way of testing the breadth of your assertion.

As although you describe him in a favourable light, he was in fact quite a divisive figure.

Many would have considered him, particularly within his life time to be unworthy by virtue of his actions.

They are clearly very different. Nobel aimed originally to make mining safer with dynamite . The explosives were used to defend people as well as to attack. He didn't kill people himself or give orders to do it (as far as I know). He also left his entire fortune to the Nobel Foundation. So a form of philanthropy.

What are the parallel mitigations for Hitler?

I don't to all of those products actually but what a ridiculous thing to write. How does consuming products produced by companies which had ties to nazi Germany in the 1930's compare to this situation? Coca cola is a highly problematic brand due to their current behaviours, Volkswagen have more recently been manufacturing using slave labour in China and Hugo Boss is a crap label. I try to boycott as many products and services which have ties to slavery, genocide and bigotry as possible but that's entirely beside the point. By your logic I should refuse to buy anything made by companies which support the royal family or exist because of British colonialism. I stated my opinion and 'whataboutery' isn't going to refute my position or cause me to change my opinion. To be clear - displaying nazi memorabilia, no matter what form it takes or the story behind it, is, in my opinion, wrong.

I didn't say I wanted a response.

I already stated that this interaction is over.

Should people also feel this way about a Nobel Prize?

Alfred Nobel hardly had clean hands - He amassed a vast personal fortune from his inventions of dynamite & ballistite.

The use of high explosives and armaments that came about from his inventions caused innumerable casualties.

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I take it you don't drink Fanta, Wear Hugo boss or drive a VW for similar reasons?

I guess Oskar Schindler is incredibly offensive then.

Oh damn, I guess we better burn all of HP. Lovecrafts books since we know what he named his cat.

How childish, you wouldn't even consider the circumstances in which it was awarded? how about if someone else was the German leader at the time? it doesn't affect that this woman selflessly cared for someones injuries despite which side they were on.

Not OK if you show people and then the first thing you say is "that's Hitler's name under there", though.
I doubt she's going to do that

Displaying this nurse's certificate as a curio "look my relative got a certificate with Hitler's name on it" - no, absolutely not. Displaying it as a pre-war Red Cross certificate for compassion and bravery, with Hitler's name removed or hidden so no one other than a historian of the time would ever know it had even been there - I think that could be OK. Not OK if you show people and then the first thing you say is "that's Hitler's name under there", though.

I'd hang it in an office or something as an interesting bit of family history but not in a 'public' bit of my house. Not for fear of offence but because I wouldn't hang any medal or certificate in a living space, they don't tend to be aesthetically very pleasing.

If i wanted to hang it, i'd hang it.
It commemorates a relative, is an interesting historical document and I'd refuse to let Hitler influence me in 2026.

I know, I need to step away now

And finally we come to " Some people will never learn anything, for this reason, because they understand everything too soon"

The German Red Cross made the award, not Hitler himself, and it’s signed by the head of the German Red Cross.

If your cousin had a Jim'll Fix it badge for their charity work, would you put that on display because you were proud of their charity work? No, you would not. And he didn't even kill 17 million (or whatever number it was).

If the person who makes an award is unworthy and unqualified by virtue of their actions, the award itself is meaningless and void. So why put it on the wall for people to see, unless you are a sympathiser?

DARVO??? This gets weirder and weirder.

I don't continue debate when the other party attempts to use DARVO to score points. This interaction is over.

Might be time to move on to "Blessed is the man who expects nothing"

Gosh, odd response.
I said 'interesting' as I think it suggests a few potential motivations behind it (that a person showing this certificate would sort of march friends up to it and insist on a conversation; that a visitor would not/could not have a think about the certificate and its history proactively and unilaterally, but would need to be 'made' to do so in some way... I would have liked you to engage with what I was saying and used 'interesting' as an invitation to continue the discussion.

On 'accusing', looking at my last post again I'm confident that it's clear that what I was talking about was a hypothetical visitor possibly accusing me of harbouring Nazi memorabilia/being a neo-Nazi. Not you. If we're talking about taking things personally.

The word forced is 'interesting' to you, is it? What a meaningless thing to write. I'm 'interested' to see that you made the leap from discussing the moral implications behind displaying a certificate with a prominent connection to the leader of the Nazi party straight to me 'accusing' you of 'harbouring' (that is an interesting and emotive word to use) nazi memorabilia and even of being a Neo Nazi. You seem to be taking this very personally which is a recipe for disaster in debate. I think this interaction should end here.