Is everyone, everywhere ND - I seriously am confused.

Babies weren't taken by forced adoption in the UK by the 1970s with the exception of northern Ireland. There was public concern about the rise in single mums never been married.
Sixties and earlier is when many young single mums couldn't keep their kids.
Valium was dished out to housewives, many of whom were in abusive or controlling relationships with no way out.

No but it helps. You can tell a doctor anything and they have to believe you. People can pretend all they like but the facts of no. of PIP benefit claimants tells the story by itself.

1/10 people 'disabled' - oh if you say so.

Ever since my son was diagnosed (not labeled) with adhd and autism, I've been so disappointed in people's reactions and the lack of people I can turn too because he's "naughty" or "nothing has changed" or "now he has his labels" etc.... everything has changed, negotiating with a child who has some form of a PDA profile is exhausting.
He's not naughty in school, he's popular, verbal and he has friends but he's predicted very low grades and will probably live at home for many years. It's so patronising to be so dismissive and to give shite advice if your not going through it.

Is there a possibility that NT kids may not reach full potential at school because resources, time, classes are geared more and more towards the ND?

Well personally we sent in reports from the speech therapist, the occupational therapist, the educational psychologist, the paediatrician, the dietician (ARFID) and the school SENDCO. I don’t know how impressed they’d be to hear that their professional evidence wasn’t ’robust’.

Funny how these goady threads always start off the same but boil down to disability benefits. It's almost like the public mood is being tested when they fuck around with disability payments..

Not this again. PIP and DLA are needs based, not diagnosis based. You don't need a diagnosis to claim.

What was it I said about poor education - you think that women weren't forced to give up babies after the 18th century due to lack of support? Have you been living under a rock, or did you take too many hits from a good ol' blackboard rubber?

https://www.parliament.uk/business/commons/committee-corridor-podcast/committee-corridor-adoption-of-the-children-of-unmarried-mothers/

https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/93/human-rights-joint-committee/news/172077/official-apology-sought-in-recognition-of-lasting-suffering-caused-by-adoption-practices-in-1950s1970s-involving-unmarried-mothers-jchr/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20yq332018o

You found it easy?

No they don’t PIP is allocated by support needs not by diagnosis and robust evidence is needed
A diagnosis goes a long way. The rest by narrative. There is no robust evidence when it comes to ADHD and autism. How many diagnosed autistic or ADHD kids have been turned down for pip?

I wrote on a lost earlier that i'venoted that there are more people with severe autism (i use that term for my son) being taken out and about than there was say 15 years ago where you hardly saw anybody at public events like this.

I have also noticed the increase in news stories of parents to kids like ours who take the life of their child/ ren and then take their own too. It seems to be more and more common. It is incredibly and very scary. Clearly a sign of lack of support.

No I didn't, there was a class I went to for students struggling with math and English in the first few years of high school but it was really a holding pen for other student with behavioural issues and quieter students like me go zero attention. In my degree I was supposed to have some one on one support but the tutor really just gabbed to me about their personal life and did not help with issues I had academically at all, maybe a few handouts that is it. I did get funding for a laptop when I did my post grad.

No it's not hard to get. People pretend it is, but it isn't. Hence so many people get it. The docs just have to believe what people tell them.

It seems like just about every other child has something wrong. Everywhere you go there are children (not toddlers) screaming, shouting, having a meltdown.

If that many children really do have something wrong then god knows what is going to happen in the future as most of them will probably be unable to work.

It's not... crime statistics have decreased massively since the 1980s. The UK didn't even really start recognising ADHD until the 90s and only very slowly, diagnosis rates (of children) increased more during the 00s. Adults are even later, starting roughly around 2010+. Officially adults could not be diagnosed until 2013. There is a more recent rise but that feels too recent to me to be related directly to ND rates, and you can't take individual year figures anyway, it's more about wider patterns over a longer period of time.

Here is one exploration of that, though a couple of years old, before the more recent rise: https://policinginsight.com/feature/analysis/most-crime-has-fallen-by-90-in-30-years-so-why-does-the-public-think-its-increased/

I can't quickly find a reliable indicator for benefits rates, this is more complicated, but one big increase on social benefits is the hugely increased number of pensioners today compared with the 1980s. There are some figures which look only at claimants aged 16-64 but I do not have time right now to look into this and find relevant data. I might come back later if there is interest.

In any case it is massively simplistic to claim any large societal shift like this is influenced by one thing only. It will be much more complex, being fed by things like the economy, standard of living (costs/availability of housing etc) cultural and international events and shifts, laws changing the classification of different crimes, different approaches to crimes, population density, funding and policies of policing, education, benefits etc.

I'm not trying to claim your father and his parents had no input into the success of his life, clearly they did and that is wonderful. I am simply saying that statistically, adults with ADHD have worse life outcomes, which suggests that it can be more difficult or need more support in these cases. Pointing out one individual who did well despite likely having ADHD does not disprove the larger picture.

And that’s why people like me, with a severely autistic son who has no functional language, is doubly incontinent and has noisy verbal tics end up shutting ourselves away from society. Because we know that when we take our children out we get eye rolls and judgement
Not from me. It's not that hard to distinguish between children who are severely affected to those who speak, interact, respond like most other kids but then has a tantrum because they don't want to queue like everyone else and their parents excuse it because they got a private diagnosis.

No they don’t PIP is allocated by support needs not by diagnosis and robust evidence is needed.

I’m child of the 70s and incredibly grateful children like mine that have autism and ADHD are recognised and supported far better. That said we have a way to go not least with cutting NHS wait lists and reducing the need for private assessments alongside working on the huge amount of ignorance that is still clearly prevalent .

You are correct (as the poll says 74% YANBU). You'll get no support on here though obvs.

Remember people get benefits for diagnosis now too - PIP 1/10 brits from England / Wales in receipt.. And rising by thousands each month.

https://taxpayersalliance.com/revealed-number-of-pip-claimants-in-england-and-wales/

I had that comment in the noughties!

I was diagnosed autistic two years ago, at the age of 69. Autistic kids were clearly around in the 1950s!
By today's definition, absolutely. The difference is that you were just a bit quirky and that was that. I've always been ADHD. I spent my youth being told to slow down, to stop talking all the time, that I was annoying. The popular kids wanted nothing to do with me, boys ran away from me because I was scary, I struggled at schools because although I seemed to understand everything before everyone else, when it came to exams, I made errors after errors. Spelling was a nightmare even though I picked up the same errors in others.

Would being diagnosed have helped me? No. I learned that there were things that made me different and stuff I had to work much harder on to succeed. So I did, and with those extra efforts, I became more resilient.

And that’s why people like me, with a severely autistic son who has no functional language, is doubly incontinent and has noisy verbal tics end up shutting ourselves away from society. Because we know that when we take our children out we get eye rolls and judgement. Lonely, unsupported and feeling suicidal, but at least the public don’t have to be subjected to my son.
(Also a child of the 70s, by the way).

Unfortunately it’s exactly this attitude that sets neurodivergent people up to fail. Teaching a child with ADHD that it’s ok for them to be late does not help them turn up to exams on time or maintain steady employment, likewise telling them it’s fine to interrupt people won’t help them make friends.

Don’t understand how people still have this outdated view.
I think back to my school and I can think of 3 in my class alone who were clearly ND, but no diagnosis. They were just labelled naughty or stupid.

I was diagnosed autistic two years ago, at the age of 69. Autistic kids were clearly around in the 1950s!