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AIBU to forgive a friend who shouted at me and my children?

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PretzelPretzel · 13/09/2026 01:33

Long story short, myself and my almost teenage children were going out with a friend of mine for the day. My friend let us know when she had parked outside, and we were to leave our house and go to her car (as she wanted to go straight away and not come inside). It's typical that when we were about to leave, one child couldn't find their socks, and then the other child had to go and get changed after noticing a hole in the back of their trousers. This delayed us getting to my friends car by about 6-7 minutes after she'd parked up (honestly it was no longer, and we don't usually do this). I realise that waiting is a pain in the arse, but I assumed that an apology from me would cut it.
Anyway, when we got into the car, she was very off with me and the children. She then started ranting and droning on about how we take the piss for making her wait. I apologised, but was told that my apology was not accepted as "you know I don't like waiting for anyone".
She literally ranted on and on for around 15minutes non stop. It was making the atmosphere in the car really awkward and uncomfortable, and she was starting to get louder and louder. I apologised again and asked how much longer she was going to go on about it? This enraged her further, and I was met with full on shouting, F bombs, and her fist banging the door on her side, and the steering wheel. This carried on for another 10 or so minutes, continuous expletives and shouting. Myself and my children sat in silence/shock. I then asked her to pull over and let us out of the car, but was refused as she still wanted to go on our day out because I'd apparently already wasted enough of her time.
We spent the rest of the journey in awkward silence, until I was barked at to get out at the petrol station to buy her petrol. I'm not usually a push over, but was so in shock that I did what I was told.
We had a crap time once we arrived at the destination, as she was still raging and making snarky comments.
Once home, I ignored her for a week, until she called to apologise. Then she said it's best we stop talking altogether because her rage was always taking over and she didn't want to keep upsetting me and my children. She has form for this, but I've always stood by her as I've known her and been close to her for years, long before I'd ever seen her rage. These rages are always over trivial things that other people wouldn't bother about.
AIBU if I forgive her?
Sould I just let her go?
Friends are hard to come by, and I've not got any others currently.

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Wildefish · 15/09/2026 17:16

Your friend is struggling and she clearly knows she’s at fault. Is it worse than it used to be? Has something changed in her life. If you did decide to see her do so without the children and see how it goes. It’s your choice, only you know if her, and the friendship is worth saving.

dh280125 · 15/09/2026 11:16

Seriously, you don't need this. Friendship is a choice not an obligation. She sounds like its not worth it.

mathanxiety · 15/09/2026 04:32

PretzelPretzel · 13/09/2026 07:48

She definitely wanted the day out, which is why she refused to let us out of the car during her outburst. She definitely can't be feeling used as it's mainly me who pays for everything for her. I'm embarrassed to admit, that even after her behaviour and the barking order for petrol (which I don't mind paying), I paid for her ticket to enter the destination. I've always paid for her on days out, even though she has a well paid job. She's never questioned it, and never offered to pay her way. I assumed that it was because she's the driver. I always pay for the petrol for her too, out of courtesy. She's just never barked at me like that or ordered me to do it. Reading that back makes it all sound even worse to me.

No, she refused to stop and let you out of the car because she's a psycho who gets off on exercising complete power over you.

You need to end the relationship with this very dangerous person.

Lotsofsnacks · 14/09/2026 22:56

DriedPetals · 13/09/2026 08:40

This. Your behaviour was always as concerning as your friend’s, OP.

This, agreed, you can’t be that desperate for friends op to have this so called friend bully you in such a fashion?! And why the hell do u always pay for her days out with you? And thirdly did alarm bells not ring, when you asked this friend to pull over and let you out, and she refused, and you accepted it and carried on with your day?! Op the older the friend becomes the angrier she’s going to get, pls avoid her

lockinsideout · 14/09/2026 22:14

I wouldn't put up with this. Even if (as I suspect) there may be a pattern of lateness on your part. That would still not make the reaction acceptable.

Hernameisdeborah · 14/09/2026 20:06

No friends is better than having this abuser for a friend. If she has a well paid job, she’s clearly capable of controlling her rages when it suits her. She’s just a horrible bully and you must cut her out of your and your children’s lives.

Redragtoabull · 14/09/2026 18:49

Lol, I don't have the right temperament to sit quietly in a confined space for someone going in on me, let alone my children. She would've had her head neatly, and tightly nestled in her steering wheel. Block this hateful cunt and don't look back, her attitude is vile, protect yourself from the psychos.

AcrossthePond55 · 14/09/2026 17:37

@PretzelPretzel

She acknowledges this, and has lost friends in the past because of it. She refuses to seek help though, and I've always stuck by her because for whatever reason I do care about her.

Lovely, have you ever considered that she doesn't think she needs help because she has you, her remaining friend, so her outbursts 'can't be that bad'? Maybe the best thing you could do for her would be to say that yes, you agree that her outbursts are unacceptable and yes, you agree that she shouldn't be in your life because of them. Maybe then she'll start to question whether she needs help or not.

I'm not pointing a finger at you for having put up with her or saying that you are responsible for 'getting her help'. Just that a change will be beneficial to you and may be beneficial to her.

Bigreddog25 · 14/09/2026 16:28

I cannot believe you allowed your children to sit through that.

Anarchy99 · 14/09/2026 15:59

Marieb19 · 14/09/2026 12:58

She wrires - It's typical that when we were about to leave, one child couldn't find their socks, and then the other child had to go and get changed after noticing a hole in the back of their trousers. Typical sounds repetitive.

I couldn’t work out whether that was in the context of ‘always happens’ or ‘you know what it’s like with kids - sod’s law’ iyswim

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 14/09/2026 15:46

I don’t like to be kept waiting either, to be honest, so, I would be irritated by that.

I’m not sure I’d lose my rag over it, though.

Marieb19 · 14/09/2026 12:58

Funnywonder · 13/09/2026 20:04

I’ve read the OP again and I still can’t see where it says that she’s continually late. Ah well.

She wrires - It's typical that when we were about to leave, one child couldn't find their socks, and then the other child had to go and get changed after noticing a hole in the back of their trousers. Typical sounds repetitive.

Marieb19 · 14/09/2026 12:56

Chexton · 13/09/2026 21:04

That’s strange that you seem to have read that her children are never ready when in fact she says the opposite?

“This delayed us getting to my friends car by about 6-7 minutes after she'd parked up (honestly it was no longer, and we don't usually do this). “

She also says - It's typical that when we were about to leave, one child couldn't find their socks, and then the other child had to go and get changed after noticing a hole in the back of their trousers.

Itsseweasy · 14/09/2026 12:55

PretzelPretzel · 13/09/2026 08:22

Nothing much to add. She is a willing participant in all of our outings. She's almost been like an auntie to my children.
She's lovely in public, and her colleagues all think she's wonderful, but I've seen multiple rages. I'm talking about little things she rages over too. Another example is when she was at mine, and she'd left her empty glass on the floor for hours. I wanted to tidy up and asked her politely to pick the glass up. I was told not yet. I asked again, and was told that she'd do it when she wanted to. I told her that I wanted it off of the floor now as I was tidying up, then she just exploded in a rage telling me that I had no right to demean her by repeatedly "demanding" her to pick a glass up. She sat in a sulk for about 10 minutes after that, then announced that she was going home. She still didn't pick her glass up.
I guess stupidly, I always accepted her outbursts because I was never in danger, and it was always over something so ridiculous. I know that it's her, not me.

I had my suspicions earlier on but this update just confirms it.
When you repeatedly asked your friend to pick up her glass, you threatened her control of the friendship/you.
Thr dynamic you have is that you bend over backwards to please her, and she’s great and a fab friend! The minute you take a step out of line you’ll be in the doghouse or worse.
It’s a clear indicator of narcissism and honestly, knowing that, I’d run a mile from her, and then a mile after that.
She only drops her mask with you, and manages to perform her “perfect person” role on front of others so that shows how little she thinks of you.
Please reevaluate your self esteem levels and ask who taught you to accept behaviour like this? (Clue - usually it’s a parental figure)

somewhereovertherainbow26 · 14/09/2026 01:57

She's not your friend.

It's not your right, or your choice, to allow her to abuse your children. Ditch her immediately.

Franjipanl8r · 14/09/2026 01:56

Your kids matter more than anything in this situation. Show them that it’s not ok to ever be verbally abused and cut this woman out of your life for good. The last thing you want is your kids thinking this is either normal or acceptable.

PressTheSwitch · 14/09/2026 01:04

PretzelPretzel · 13/09/2026 07:48

She definitely wanted the day out, which is why she refused to let us out of the car during her outburst. She definitely can't be feeling used as it's mainly me who pays for everything for her. I'm embarrassed to admit, that even after her behaviour and the barking order for petrol (which I don't mind paying), I paid for her ticket to enter the destination. I've always paid for her on days out, even though she has a well paid job. She's never questioned it, and never offered to pay her way. I assumed that it was because she's the driver. I always pay for the petrol for her too, out of courtesy. She's just never barked at me like that or ordered me to do it. Reading that back makes it all sound even worse to me.

Why is she coming out on your family days out? Are you single and need the support from her, i.e car to get about, more hands to help with the kids etc..?

PressTheSwitch · 14/09/2026 01:02

SethAndReubenTooSendGaloshes · 13/09/2026 02:29

How are you getting that from the fact that she refused to let OP and the kids out of the car because she wanted to go on the day out?

Because even though she was angry with OP, she didn’t want to be made to feel the bad guy in this situation and would have if the day had been cancelled.

Funnywonder · 13/09/2026 23:12

mathanxiety · 13/09/2026 21:30

The OP said they don't usually keep the friend waiting.

This implies it happens sometimes.

It would be better for it to never happen, and for this delay to have been a once off.

Does it? Does it really imply that it happens sometimes? If I said ‘I’m not usually like this’ or ‘I don’t usually do this’, I would mean ‘this is a one off’. Given that the OP hasn’t expressly stated that it happens ‘continually’, I remain of the opinion that the poster I quoted is wrong in concluding this to be the case.

Copperoliverbear · 13/09/2026 22:27

Let her go.

AmnesiacsDream · 13/09/2026 22:19

MrsShawnHatosy · 13/09/2026 09:57

I also don’t think it’s unreasonable for an adult and two nearly teen children to be ready and waiting if they know the time they are being picked up. Punctuality doesn’t seem to count for anything these days.

Edited

It's not unreasonable if there's a set time that can be relied upon, but also, things go wrong and it's not unreasonable to expect people to have some patience - if it doesn't happen all the time. Which is what I was getting at with my first post about whether OP might be minimizing her family's impact on others.

Even if it does happen all the time and the friend would be reasonable to be annoyed, it doesn't make the shouting and refusing to let them out of the car at all excusable, though.

Screamingabdabz · 13/09/2026 21:55

You can “forgive” her by accepting that her behaviour is part of who she is, and she won’t change, but also put your own boundaries in place to never be victim of it again.

Quite frankly I’m amazed at his passive you are at not only the danger she put your kids in driving in a rage, but also the way she takes advantage of you financially.

Dalston · 13/09/2026 21:44

PretzelPretzel · 13/09/2026 01:33

Long story short, myself and my almost teenage children were going out with a friend of mine for the day. My friend let us know when she had parked outside, and we were to leave our house and go to her car (as she wanted to go straight away and not come inside). It's typical that when we were about to leave, one child couldn't find their socks, and then the other child had to go and get changed after noticing a hole in the back of their trousers. This delayed us getting to my friends car by about 6-7 minutes after she'd parked up (honestly it was no longer, and we don't usually do this). I realise that waiting is a pain in the arse, but I assumed that an apology from me would cut it.
Anyway, when we got into the car, she was very off with me and the children. She then started ranting and droning on about how we take the piss for making her wait. I apologised, but was told that my apology was not accepted as "you know I don't like waiting for anyone".
She literally ranted on and on for around 15minutes non stop. It was making the atmosphere in the car really awkward and uncomfortable, and she was starting to get louder and louder. I apologised again and asked how much longer she was going to go on about it? This enraged her further, and I was met with full on shouting, F bombs, and her fist banging the door on her side, and the steering wheel. This carried on for another 10 or so minutes, continuous expletives and shouting. Myself and my children sat in silence/shock. I then asked her to pull over and let us out of the car, but was refused as she still wanted to go on our day out because I'd apparently already wasted enough of her time.
We spent the rest of the journey in awkward silence, until I was barked at to get out at the petrol station to buy her petrol. I'm not usually a push over, but was so in shock that I did what I was told.
We had a crap time once we arrived at the destination, as she was still raging and making snarky comments.
Once home, I ignored her for a week, until she called to apologise. Then she said it's best we stop talking altogether because her rage was always taking over and she didn't want to keep upsetting me and my children. She has form for this, but I've always stood by her as I've known her and been close to her for years, long before I'd ever seen her rage. These rages are always over trivial things that other people wouldn't bother about.
AIBU if I forgive her?
Sould I just let her go?
Friends are hard to come by, and I've not got any others currently.

You surely understand that your kids should have been ready. That said, her behaviour is totally unacceptable and also quite scary. Better to have no friends than some one like her around.

mathanxiety · 13/09/2026 21:34

WhereYouLeftIt · 13/09/2026 14:30

You need to step back from this woman, she is dangerous. In the car - "her fist banging the door on her side, and the steering wheel" - she was not fully in control of the car, never mind herself. She could not possibly have been concentrating on the road. She could have crashed and killed you all.

I think your long association with this woman has desensitised you to just how bad she is. Frankly, you're minimising her behaviour.

So yes, you would be unreasonable to forgive her, and totally unreasonable to expose your children to her behaviour again. Do not teach your children to accept being treated like this.

Ditch her. Tell her that her rages are NEVER justified and she needs to get help, and you don't want her around you or your children ever again. Accept no apology, she won't mean it. Remember - "She doesn't see the problem", so she's never going to change.

Agree.

You are lucky that there wasn't a crash.

mathanxiety · 13/09/2026 21:30

Funnywonder · 13/09/2026 20:04

I’ve read the OP again and I still can’t see where it says that she’s continually late. Ah well.

The OP said they don't usually keep the friend waiting.

This implies it happens sometimes.

It would be better for it to never happen, and for this delay to have been a once off.

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