Why hasn’t Michael Jackson been cancelled??

He wasn’t ’found innocent’. That is not what a not guilty verdict means, necessarily.

Some of the jury even said they thought he probably was guilty! They were swayed not to do their jobs properly because he was a massive celebrity and he acted all frail to make the jurors feel sorry for him. And it worked! Apparently they were worried about how the poor lamb would cope in jail(!)

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As does pretty much everyone now have that duty but its very different as under the laws around safeguarding you are specifically instructed to treat people as guilty until proven innocent and in this case he was put on trial and found innocent so don't tell me I have to believe someone that just read celebrity gossip over a jury

It doesn't matter, as long as you aren't "predatory" in the way you rape them, it seems.

So how many people does it take to make someone a child abuser?

I think people collectively decided he was just far too talented to be cancelled. Or at least for his music to be cancelled. So possibly it’s a “reject the artist but not the art” situation.

I think it’s as simple as that.

It could also be that he was clearly a very tragic figure into the mix, but I think the main reason is that people didn’t want to lose his music.

So how many is enough victims to count?

Are we to discount all abusers if they weren’t on the scale of Savile?

Jordy Chandler
Gavin Arviso
Star Arviso
Wade Robson
James Safechuck

Ive no doubt there were far more than the ones who and the courage to come forward. MJ’s sleepovers went on over a very long period.

I’d assume if you had been sexually abused you’d want it to be taken seriously even if you were the sole victim. It’s still a crime? It’s still ruined your childhood.

All these children he was "protecting". Isn't it funny the ones he was close to all looked very alike. Isn't it odd that when they aged out he replaced them with another lookalike?

From her own book the first sex he had was with Lisa Marie and that was because he wanted a child now and the grandchild of Elvis Presley would be just wonderful.

No sex in his thirties and children in his bed, yeh just a big innocent childlike creature wasn't he?

Some people absolutely should be think of the worst of the worst here use your brain!

Not a pervert, no 🙄

Jesus

So if you believe his victims he watched porn with them masturbated (there's a lot worse accusations), you read yesterday what his cleaner found, bloody undepants, alcohol guven to children.....but of course its MJ so it's just because he was messed up as a child.

And you find it DISTASTEFUL that folk talk about him in the same post as a sex abuser because he wasnt as "bad" as Saville, am I really reading that? It's actually a bit like saying oh goodness Fred West wasn't half as bad as Ted Bundy!

Again...a 30 something king of pop who has NEVER had a sexual relationship with man or woman.....has pre pubescent children in his bed...he pays huge amounts of money to make it all go away. Isn't it funny that the families are being denigrated about accepting money...but come on...he paid it out! A bit like formerly Prince who everyone knows dunnit.

Al Fayed is dead and recently accusers are coming forward, I suppose it's all about the money with then too eh? Its gobsmacking to me that because of poor Michael's persona it's not believed, or if there MIGHT have been abuse it's because he was a fucked up child so how dare Saville be mentioned?

And the comparison with Saville is valid as they both posed as weirdos in plain sight. Saville used to joke often that his case was coming up next week!

The title is should he be cancelled...no. Brcause of his musical legacy, but let's not kid ourselves on what he did as a person.

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Isn't this the plot for most horror movies?? I think you're overanalyzing a bit there 😕

MJ - ok, there are some accounts of him doing weird stuff - he slept in bed with kids.

Its not just <shrug> a bit weird, its unacceptable and would ring alarm bells in any other situation.

He was an adult man in his 30s or 40s, they were well under the age of consent and not related to him. Explain how this is acceptable and non predatory behaviour.....
(Swap MJ for your next door neighbour, your kids teacher, their football coach, their scout leader, the postman....and say it was no more than "weird")

He ruined peoples lives.

The amount of victims? Sure, different magnitudes. But he subjected his dozen victims to years upon years of abuse.

He was a prolific and dangerous paedophile.

His accusers said he gave alcohol to kids, watched porn with them, masturbated...
Did you deliberately trail off before the accusations of oral and anal sex?

A strange thing to omit.

What's your criteria for predatory vs non-predatory anal sex with young boys, btw?

I find comparing MJ with Saville very distasteful. There are literally thousands of people who came forward about Saville - the list of his crimes goes on an on, rapes, shagging dead people, ill people, unconscious people, abusing children of both sexes at every opportunity - the man was absolutely disguising. He was cunning and absolutely wallowed in the fact he was doing it in the full view of the public.

MJ - ok, there are some accounts of him doing weird stuff - he slept in bed with kids. His accusers said he gave alcohol to kids, watched porn with them, masturbated... None of this has been proven. Is his actions are questionable? Well, yes. Is this the same level of deprivation? No. MJ was a fucked up child himself, not a fucking perverted predator.

Overthinking much. Have you ever watched a horror movie?

he was, eventually 😂

No, their stories are very simple and clear cut - not like ever changing vague stuff I've heard in MJ documentaries.

There was a post on here not so long ago about the movie. I honestly cannot believe how deluded Jackson fans are. If you watch any of the documentaries about it I can’t see how anyone can dispute it. Plenty of others have been cancelled for a lot less.
people writing he was odd and abused as child when in other circumstances would vilify anyone else in similar circumstances. It blows my mind.
My kids now know the music and like it, sing it classes etc it’s madness to me. I liked his music a lot but don’t listen to it.
Would never pay to see The movies, stage shows etc 🫣 he is still a massive cash cow for the family who continue to disrespect the victims of his crimes.

When I have watched the Thriller video as an adult, I just find the storyline so dark. A woman being terrorised by her boyfriend, who has turned into some sort of ghoul, accompanied by a load of other monstrous ghouls. The poor female making a run for her house, getting inside, and then these creatures breaking through the windows, doors etc. Also the isolated location, late at night, surrounded by a load of vegetation, with mist swirling around. It’s the sort of thing a murderous psychopath might fantasise about doing to a woman, yet amazingly, when you read the YouTube comments, everyone is singing MJ’s praises for his great opus, no one questions the psychology behind this creation.
I just find it deeply distasteful.

I think MJ being in the public eye from childhood is relevant. He was extremely famous before he had the opportunity for at what was at best deeply inappropriate relationships, so there is a point where he was innocent.

The court cases muddy the water because some people accept the not guilty outcomes.

I think the fairest thing to say is that money corrupted the course of justice. Over time, learning more about safeguarding, I've been more inclined to believe that he was an accomplished groomer and abuser and more likely to have been guilty than not.

Play of his music declined in the 2000s until his death. Many feel that as he can no longer benefit from royalties, that there's little benefit to cancelling him now.

MJ's music remains influential and culturally relevant. If it wasn't, then it wouldn't have been commercially viable to create a revival with the film (money talks again). Gary Glitter's music did not have that level of influence and longevity. Cancelling Saville only really means editing him out of vintage Top of the Pops footage; Jim'll Fix It was never even going to make re-runs on BBC4.

I don't turn MJ's music off, but I don't seek it out either. I didn't want to see the film because that's too much about the artist. When my students ask if I like MJ, I tend to say that I like the music but not the person.

People that are sucessfully "cancelled" tend to be of limited influence or longevity in their works. There's never going to be consensus about a point at which someone should be cancelled e.g. someone upthread lumping JK Rowling in with rapists because they don't like her views.

He was found not guilty. He was a bit odd, but I think that's because of how his dad brought him up tbh, he had issues mentally, but personally think he was harmless, just had his childhood stolen and it effected him mentally, like he was trying to relive childhood. He is dead, he made fantastic music and I hope they play it for many years to come

That's the point though, nobody on this thread will ever know the truth.

I don’t think the OP voted for him. I certainly didn’t. I like to think in this country someone who said “they’ll let you do anything in your famous” and “if she wasn’t my daughter…” weeks before the election, would never have come to power.

As as I’m concerned Andrew, Trump and the rest are ‘cancelled’ and I do not give them a second of my time in the same way I turn off the radio if Jackson comes on.

Well how does that stack up against a convicted sex offender and friend of paedophiles becoming US president ?