Why hasn’t Michael Jackson been cancelled??

Yeah, if he wanted poor kids to go to Disney, he could have just paid for their holiday to Disney.

But that wouldn’t have given him access to kids and their families, or the ability to observe and choose preferred victims.

There are some accounts of the sisters being there and of sibling groups. There are many accounts of children he didn’t abuse.

this isn’t evidence of anything. That’s like saying “well the shoplifter didn’t steal this packet of crisps. Or this one…or this one…or thse biscuits…or this chocolate”

So the fuck what? He wasn’t an idiot. He’s not going to say in front of the kids parents “no, only boys between 8 and 14 in my room thank you” If anything, the sisters are very helpful because they can truthfully say “he was nice to me, he never touched me” and their brothers think they won’t be believed.

Did he have any of them sleeping in his bed night after night? No.

Pedophiles are humans. They can do nice things, they can be philanthropic. They can also image-manage and groom.

I'm not convinced that the whole Neverland thing would have been cheaper than buying tickets for the same number of kids wholesale from Disney, but even if it was it is irrelevant.

R Kelly, J Saville and whoever else mentioned just don't compare to MJ. They would have faded away with or without their convictions.

MJ on the other hand is probably one of the most influential artists and his music is outstanding. Always a hit on the dance floor. It hasn't dated and the teens of today play his music.

He was a sad lonely person deeply affected by the abuse by his father. He was not convicted. However I wouldn't leave my DC with him but don't mind them listening to a bit of MJ.

It's so funny how people believe this narrative about him only hanging out with boys of a certain age etc. they ignore that he had plenty of siblings and girls who also stayed. There are girls on you tube who talk about this and their stories never get printed. The press leave out that as doesn't fit the narrative.

I don’t think you can listen to songs like ‘The Way you make me feel’ without being aware that these songs were likely about people too young to consent.

Yes and Jimmy Seville was a philanthropist who gave lots of money to the hospital, so shut up you silly girl. Those are the words of a nurse that a girl disclosed her abuse by Saville to.

It’s clear the poster you are responding to was talking about MJs victims, the ones he took to his bed. Not the kids he used as cover, to fool people like you.

I love the self righteousness of “ they took the money!!,”

so youre telling me, if Jackson’s lawyer turned to you and said “look, your kid is traumatised. Their face is in every newspaper alongside awful sexual language. You will never win because he can afford the best lawyers in the world. For years. Years and years of battling in courts until he wins. His fans are cult level insane - people think he’s basically Jesus. His family are incredibly powerful. They will pay off the press. Hell they’ll probably pay of the government. This man has a completely unbelievable amount of money.

So how about we give you a few millions and this will all go away? You can pay for your kids therapy, move house so the press can’t find you. Your kids are set, their college fees, their first cars, their houses, their weddings. Everything”

And you, looking at your child who has faced the unimaginable would put them through a trial they would probably lose and be re traumatised and walk away with nothing?

Sure you would.

Girls IE the sisters, Michael's cousin's etc would also be on sleepovers but this was never mentioned as it doesn't fit the narrative does it?

Only a pedophile would enjoy having those books. The legality or otherwise is irrelevant.

Because people will always put themselves, their thoughts and their wishes above anything else.
People will tie themselves in knots to explain / justify what they want to be true to the point of ludicrousness.

Half of America will still vote for Trump despite the fact that he led an insurrection, has sexually assaulted multiple women and raped girls and has be proven a liar on multiple occasions.
The other half voted for Biden despite it being very well known that he was open to bribes and deals had to include money for him “what’s in it for the big guy.”

Most Labour supporters tied themselves in ridiculous knots trying to explain how their MPs tax evasion, fraud, taking gifts of wealthy donors is “different” / less bad /whataboutery. Reform supporters will now do the same with dodgy donations.

Kanye West concerts sold out in seconds. My DD bought a ticket. She’s one of the most vocal politically active teenagers I know and she knows EXACTLY what he said but she loves his music (it’s their generational thing) and she made up all sorts mental gymnastics about why it was ok.

I love the red hot chilli peppers but I know the lead singer raped girls. And I want to make all sorts of excuses so I can listen to their music but I don’t …..because I’m trying not to be an arsehole. Most don’t.

There are plenty of other ways he could have helped disadvantaged children, without having a theme park at his house, and inviting young boys kids into his room.

Dolly Parton grew up similarly poor, also with lots of siblings. She set up a foundation to send books to kids, she didnt invite kids into her bed, to read them a bedtime story!

Yep all of MJ's accusers are from families of liars (cascio's), were pressured by parents to lie, or are out to make a lot of money from their claims.

You can love the art and not the artist.

Absolutely this!

All this ‘oh he was just like a child’ bollocks.

Do none of the posters saying this have son’s? Boys tend to have sleepovers in groups.

MJ isolated one child, in his age and sex preference, so he could abuse them.

He actually had girls and siblings and parents to stay at Neverland and often with his nieces and nephews etc. There are plenty of witnesses saying this.

The whole reason Neverland was built was so disabled and underprivileged children who couldn't afford Disney could go to the fairground. He had thousands go there each year. He was a huge philanthropist.

The Casio’s got millions in a settlement and now want another slice of the pie. It’s not a good look.

Yes. Funny how the boys aged out of his 'friendship' to be replaced by another in his preferred age range

Wow you're naive. Don't you think he would have been arrested and jailed if that was the case? The art books don't count as child p.

No proof whatsoever that he was autistic.

Jimmy Saville case is very different as there was an 'inquiry' and literally hundreds of victims and witnesses came forward and Jimmy's case never went to court while he was alive. MJ was investigated while he was still alive for years and was found not guilty on all counts.

“If you are talented you can behave how you want. Sell records, make money, people will literally bring you children to abuse. You can have an island where you take them, torture them, get them pregnant, murder them. Literally anything and no one will stop you”

This is the message of ‘separate art and artist’

RKelly met one his victims AT HIS TRIAL for sex crimes.

I find I feel differently about his music depending on his age and the likelihood of him being an abuser when he performed it.
This conveniently allows me to listen to The Jackson's and Thriller, but nothing much beyond that.

Exactly he bought houses and cars for the victims families. The children didn’t think it was abuse because they believed they were in love with him. I can’t even imagine trying to reconcile that as an adult.

If you were a ‘specialist’ you would know that an autism assessment takes hours and involves multidisciplinary assessments by different clinicians who must all agree.

You sound like you watched the white wash propaganda film and decided ‘oh dear the poor thing was autistic’.