To be shocked at ‘school readiness’

But if a child starting school can't pour themselves a bowl of cereal...that's not good

Why is it not good what does it mean for their future?

I don't know one single toddler (and I've known a lot) who doesn't constantly say, every time you do anything - anything. "Me do that!!"
I can't imagine how it's possible to avoid your toddler wanting to engage in getting food for themselves from 20 months on. Pouring cereal is the first and safest. How do people avoid this happening? Do they avoid it? Or are their kids watching telly while they pour the cereal?

2 weeks into this school year with a new class of reception children who 90% are utterly unequipped to be in a classroom. This is a list of things that come to mind the children are unable to do.

-put on their coats. I don’t mean when they struggle to get their arms in or don’t know how to turn a sleeve from inside out. I mean completely unaware of how to even attempt to put on their own coat.
-Recognise their own name.
-They walk away while you are actively talking to them

-Nor a single child has used manners, pleas or thank yous, without being prompted to do so during the whole 2 weeks.
-take their coats to their pegs. Children are taking off their coats at the door, dropping them to the floor and walking away.
-close a toilet cubicle door or pull their pants up before they walk back into class (our toilets are directly off the classroom)

This is not even mentioning the running away or out the classroom when asked to do something they don’t want to do like sit on the carpet, children outright saying no or screaming at staff.

These are not SEN children who are developmentally delayed. Covid babies are no longer an excuse. I’m absolutely baffled how parents have neglected to teach their children basic skills and expectations of behaviour, I have never had a year group like this.

AIBU to be shocked at the lack of school readiness

OK, it doesn’t bother me what you do or do not think.

Why do posters keep arguing about the 90%? @op said 90% of her class not 90% of the new cohort across the country.

@Goldenbear I wasn’t agreeing with Farage. I used his wording as an example, nothing more. You’ve not read my post properly.

I don't think they do change them all day actually. Most children my child went to at school preschool with were potty trained with the occasional few who were obviously SEN. I think the amount of children who are in nappies at school is over hyped.

I have a 4 year old. She’s my third. I’m a teacher, including in some very deprived schools.

i just don’t believe this. 90%? I’m sorry but it’s completely implausible.

Again though, I didn't say it was most of them. I very clearly said that OP doesn't know for sure that none of them are SEND because she has only been teaching them for 2 weeks and they are only 4.

Not many 4 year olds go straight to a SEND school. More and more SEND children are in mainstream.

Again, I'm not saying that every single child has SEND. I'm saying that OP can't be sure after just 2 weeks that none of them are.

As we're more or less at capacity on the thread, I'm going to give up now. No point keep on arguing the sky is blue.

A lot of attitudes on this thread sum up the reasons for the OP to post this thread anyway.

Low expectations and feeble excuses.

The point is that there isn’t a need to answer the question because anyone with a bit of sense knows the answer to the question.

Luckily my children are not part of the school system, so school is not up against my opinions or the way I parent.

I do think we have gone majorly wrong though if a simple question of should working parents be doing 80% of the work in 20% of the time?, is answered with "yes it is 100% the parents responsibility"

In the case of someone who is in charge of their children for 100% of the time, yes my children's attainment is completely my reaponsibility, but for a working parent I think it is incredibly unfair not to question whether childcare may be having a backwards effect, whether it needs improving, and what can be done to ensure it is up to standard.

But if a child starting school can't pour themselves a bowl of cereal...that's not good

Why is it not good what does it mean for their future?

I don't know one single toddler (and I've known a lot) who doesn't constantly say, every time you do anything - anything. "Me do that!!"
I can't imagine how it's possible to avoid your toddler wanting to engage in getting food for themselves from 20 months on. Pouring cereal is the first and safest. How do people avoid this happening? Do they avoid it? Or are their kids watching telly while they pour the cereal?

I don’t know what you mean ‘who said’. I’m saying it.

But what you call mollycoddling I call be caring of young child. It is only mollycoddling if that care is excessive, using heat and electricity to cook with when very young is just sensible and age appropriate care.

Answer the question.

Mollycoddling does no favours. Teaching children to use heat/electricity safely is safer then banning it.

Legally, you are allowed to teach children in year 2 to use hand saws, glue guns, and most other primary school DT equipment. Most reception classes make Goldilocks porridge or something similar using heat. They'd also use knives to cut fruit and veg in reception.

It's obviously going to be better to teach them 1:1 at home first.

Mollycoddling does no favours. Teaching children to use heat/electricity safely is safer then banning it.

Legally, you are allowed to teach children in year 2 to use hand saws, glue guns, and most other primary school DT equipment. Most reception classes make Goldilocks porridge or something similar using heat. They'd also use knives to cut fruit and veg in reception.

It's obviously going to be better to teach them 1:1 at home first.

Who said they change nappies all day?