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AIBU to wonder why many posters find it harder to make friends than find a life partner?

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Thepeopleversuswork · 11/09/2026 08:04

I'm baffled at the number of people on Mumsnet who struggle with the most basic social interactions and find making friends to be traumatic, but have found a life partner to settle down and have kids with.

A significant number of posters on here struggle with friendship or social interaction to various degrees, manifested in the extreme in the declarations that they "hate people", "don't want new friends", find friends to be too much "drama" and only want to spend time with their families. There is a classic of the genre running at the moment in which an OP has taken umbrage at a coworker making fairly mild friendly overtures to her as a gross invasion of her privacy. (But admits that she met her partner at work?) Or just at the milder end of the spectrum the huge amount of anxiety which making new friends seems to generate.

I genuinely don't understand why people who have managed to find an intimate relationship in which to have children can find the prospect of exchanging words outside the school gate or sending a text to a coworker so traumatic.

I found attracting a partner and building a relationship to be a far more fraught and involved process than making friends: there's so much more to lose, so much more vulnerability needed and the prospect of loss of face and self-esteem in the process of dating is far greater than in making friends. But texting someone (platonically) to ask if they want to have a coffee seems to spiral posters into paroxysms of self-doubt. The "school mum" threads are a whole sub-genre in their own right, where the paranoia and suspicion is often seriously irrational.

Why do people find it relatively easy to find a partner but finding friends so difficult? From my perspective it should be the other way around.

OP posts:
Thepeopleversuswork · 13/09/2026 06:37

phoenixrosehere · 12/09/2026 21:14

And others are not for several factors which other posters have named. Not everyone has the time or energy for ambiguity and from what I have read many aren’t expecting an instant decision on whether they are friends with someone or not.

I think most start off as acquaintances and it either moves to friendship, stay an acquaintance and sometimes drop down from friend to acquaintance after some time.

Plus, it helps if both parties are aware where they stand in each other’s mind whether they both see themselves as acquaintances or friends.

I wouldn’t call it pigeonholing more that there is a decision phase where you either see the other person as an acquaintance or as a friend after several encounters and sometimes some people make it immediately known in the first interaction if you want to be friends with them where you invite them out again or be acquaintances where you only chat to them when you happen to be in the same place.

I know some people do look at it like this. But I suggest that this sort of rigidity is a major factor in people struggling with friendships.

When I read these threads about friend difficulties 90% of the time my internal reaction is to think people need to chill out and stop overthinking things.

OP posts:
Kpo58 · 12/09/2026 21:16

Or maybe they don't feel like other girls because other girls had to mask and weren't allowed to show their geeky sides when growing up as it wasn't allowed. It was only for boys. Many ND girls feel this way because they couldn't meet like minded people.

I do think that the rise of The Big Bang Theory may stop people growing up feeling this way as it was suddenly seen socially acceptable for girls to be geeky.

phoenixrosehere · 12/09/2026 21:14

Thepeopleversuswork · 12/09/2026 18:57

No I completely understand that there’s a difference between a friend and an acquaintance.

But I am happy to meet people and sit with the ambiguity: I don’t get the need to immediately pigeonhole people as one or the other.

Acquaintances can turn into friends and vice versa.

And others are not for several factors which other posters have named. Not everyone has the time or energy for ambiguity and from what I have read many aren’t expecting an instant decision on whether they are friends with someone or not.

I think most start off as acquaintances and it either moves to friendship, stay an acquaintance and sometimes drop down from friend to acquaintance after some time.

Plus, it helps if both parties are aware where they stand in each other’s mind whether they both see themselves as acquaintances or friends.

I wouldn’t call it pigeonholing more that there is a decision phase where you either see the other person as an acquaintance or as a friend after several encounters and sometimes some people make it immediately known in the first interaction if you want to be friends with them where you invite them out again or be acquaintances where you only chat to them when you happen to be in the same place.

ArabellaScott · 12/09/2026 21:13

SP2024 · 11/09/2026 15:46

I don’t struggle to meet people, I’m perfectly happy to speak to people in new situations. I do find it hard to move from acquaintance to proper friend these days though. Lots of my close friends moved away and whilst we’re still in contact virtually and occasional meet ups it’s hard to find people local. Everyone I meet is happy to chat on a superficial level but generally have their own friends for nights out and meet ups. As busy parents to young children this means it’s hard to fit in new people. I do feel quite lonely sometimes. I’m fairly senior at work too so unlikely to make lots of close friends there whereas when I was younger and more junior I had lots of friends through work. The other senior people are significantly older than me and in different life stages. I keep busy by volunteering and doing kids activities like swimming and sports classes. My youngest has just started school and I’m hoping to make some friends that way.

Life stages have huge impact.

ThatCyanCat · 12/09/2026 21:04

OsfameronTanamoril · 12/09/2026 20:53

Oh FFS. 'I am not like the other girls'.
In 2026.

The amount of ingrained misogyny on this thread is beyond belief.

And of course, men are intellectual (geeky, sci fi) and women love crap TV.

Don't even know where to start with this hogwash. Perhaps 1997?

You know the worst part? The guy who waded in at the start to tell us it's all women's fault because they all hate each other while men are all such total bros (lol) will see us calling out this steaming pile as proof that he's right.

OsfameronTanamoril · 12/09/2026 20:53

PeepDeBeaul · 12/09/2026 20:06

CS Lewis wrote something along the lines of: the start of a good friendship are the words "me to".

I've always really struggled making friends with women, but I find men much easier to get along with. I find women generally don't have much in common with me...I'm a geek, I like sci-fi and gaming. I'm not into crap TV dramas or reality TV. I've found very few school mums who share my values, interests or humour...and you need all 3. I've found a few blokes over the years I've gelled with, some I'm still close to.

I know several lonely men, it's more common than you think, generally nice guys who either spend their time with the family or are guilted by the wife when they do go out.

I think the problem these days is twofold: that if someone isn't perfect, cut them loose or keep your guard up; we don't accept people for who they are any more. That it takes repeated interations to build a friendship, and to build trust. if the connection isn't there on the first "date", that's it. It's not how connection works. People don't play the long game anymore.

Oh FFS. 'I am not like the other girls'.
In 2026.

The amount of ingrained misogyny on this thread is beyond belief.

Kpo58 · 12/09/2026 20:12

I do wonder if the ridged social rules in the past helped. You spoke formally to those who weren't friends and more informally to those who were. There were rules on how to act depending on who you were with which made it clear who you were to them.

I always wondered if Victorian were ruled by the ND community due to how ridged society was.

ThatCyanCat · 12/09/2026 20:11

I find women generally don't have much in common with me...I'm a geek, I like sci-fi and gaming. I'm not into crap TV dramas or reality TV.

Oh for fuck's sake. Do women still bloody do this?

PeepDeBeaul · 12/09/2026 20:06

CS Lewis wrote something along the lines of: the start of a good friendship are the words "me to".

I've always really struggled making friends with women, but I find men much easier to get along with. I find women generally don't have much in common with me...I'm a geek, I like sci-fi and gaming. I'm not into crap TV dramas or reality TV. I've found very few school mums who share my values, interests or humour...and you need all 3. I've found a few blokes over the years I've gelled with, some I'm still close to.

I know several lonely men, it's more common than you think, generally nice guys who either spend their time with the family or are guilted by the wife when they do go out.

I think the problem these days is twofold: that if someone isn't perfect, cut them loose or keep your guard up; we don't accept people for who they are any more. That it takes repeated interations to build a friendship, and to build trust. if the connection isn't there on the first "date", that's it. It's not how connection works. People don't play the long game anymore.

JMSA · 12/09/2026 19:16

I have strongly suspected for some time that a large proportion of Mumsnetters are neurodivergent, and likely have partners who are the same.
Absolutely not an insult, merely an observation.

Abitlosttoday · 12/09/2026 19:04

BlueSherbet · 11/09/2026 08:34

Its an interesting question and I would agree with OP that you would think it would be easier to make friends.

From my (male) perspective, I think women treat one another horribly and I think this is perhaps something to do with why friends can actually be tricky.

My jaw frequently drops reading about how women treat each other one here.

There was a hen night thread recently where the accommodation fell through and people were out of pocket. Instead of coming to some adult resolution together, about reimbursing people or whatever, the last I heard was that the bride and MOH had secretly bought the silence of one guest with a partial refund, but the other guests were to get nothing and were to be kept in the dark over this secret payment.

Apparently the bride didn't want any ill feeling before the wedding and seemingly the best way she thought this could be ensured was by screwing over her friends who had given time and money to come to her hen night.

Just absolutely jaw dropping stuff. I can well imagine men being angry over losing money in an accommodation mix up, but they would "have it out" and then forget it by the time the first round of drinks arrived.

Men can sometimes 'lose touch' with friends, but very rarely fall out. If they don't like each other, they simply don't take anything to do with one another. In contrast, women seem to delight in being 'faux friends' with people they don't like, purely so they can make each others life a misery. Go figure. You often see threads where women wake up one morning to discover their friendship group is suddenly treating them like a pariah, for no apparent reason. I mean, WTF?

As to why this is? Feminism has tried to mould modern women to be extremely self centred. The idea of putting others first, or even considering them at all, just doesn't seem to figure, many women seem to just think of themselves and only themselves. In contrast, women were traditionally seen as considerate and selfless. This change is surely connected with the friends issue. (Of course you get selfish men too, but it seems this mostly affects their partners rather than their friends).

What absolute tosh. I don't think we need a bloke to school us on feminism and friendship. My feminism has always been a key component of my appreciation for the women in my life. Valuing women is why I invest in my relationships with them. The outlier tales you read on here are just that - exceptions, not the norm. Oh, and I think what you may find, if you dig a little deeper, is that it's often the choking hands of the patriarchy that see women competing with and attacking one another, internalising societial misogyny and losing touch with what makes female collaboration and cooperation great. Jog on.

Thepeopleversuswork · 12/09/2026 18:57

phoenixrosehere · 12/09/2026 18:39

I think the disconnect is that you may consider friends and acquaintances the same thing while others see them as separately.

Even by dictionary terms they are separate things.

No I completely understand that there’s a difference between a friend and an acquaintance.

But I am happy to meet people and sit with the ambiguity: I don’t get the need to immediately pigeonhole people as one or the other.

Acquaintances can turn into friends and vice versa.

OP posts:
Kpo58 · 12/09/2026 18:52

Thepeopleversuswork · 12/09/2026 15:17

I understand that… but I don’t really understand why people need to categorise people in these neat little boxes.

Why can’t you just be content to spend time with someone and enjoy their company without the need to define the status of the relationship?

In the final analysis they are someone whose company you enjoy. Does it really matter which side of the friend vs acquaintance line they sit on?

This is the bit I don’t get.

Because you do different things with people at different levels of friendship. You aren't going to go on a night out with an acquaintance and someone who thinks that you are their bestie won't be happy with just a quick chat at the school gates. Having a rough idea of how the other person sees you, then can tell you what type of things that you can likely do with them.

phoenixrosehere · 12/09/2026 18:39

Thepeopleversuswork · 12/09/2026 16:36

Sorry I don’t understand what you are trying to say.

I think the disconnect is that you may consider friends and acquaintances the same thing while others see them as separately.

Even by dictionary terms they are separate things.

SmallDFartyCarNRG · 12/09/2026 17:06

Idontpostmuch · 12/09/2026 16:53

Exactly my thought when reading that. Biology??? You don't need relationship for conception.

Tinder would never have become known as an app for revenge shags if everyone needed to chat to each other and be mates before sex.

ThatCyanCat · 12/09/2026 17:02

Idontpostmuch · 12/09/2026 16:46

Don't you think we would realise our partners only wanted our bodies? Don't you think we'd have left them?

There are a lot of posters on here in absolutely horrible relationships that they won't leave.

Idontpostmuch · 12/09/2026 16:53

Anarchy99 · 12/09/2026 10:46

You do know you can get pregnant without having an emotional connection, right?

Getting pissed and fucking a stranger is still likely to get you pregnant.

Exactly my thought when reading that. Biology??? You don't need relationship for conception.

ShutteredUp · 12/09/2026 16:48

Anarchy99 · 11/09/2026 18:47

For some, yes.

People don’t understand that you can’t just introduce yourself to some randomer and off you go. People who want friends and don’t have them generally lack social skills, more than those who aren’t bothered.

Well, and that even if you want friends and the randomer to whom you’ve just introduced yourself also wants friends, it’s not a forgone conclusion you will automatically become friends with one another! Friendship involves way more than just filling a gap with the nearest person.

Idontpostmuch · 12/09/2026 16:46

ThatCyanCat · 12/09/2026 16:37

I don't know, it sounds plausible to me.

Don't you think we would realise our partners only wanted our bodies? Don't you think we'd have left them?

Meadowfinch · 12/09/2026 16:39

I'm the opposite. No issue making friends, but no luck on the life partner.

ThatCyanCat · 12/09/2026 16:37

Idontpostmuch · 12/09/2026 15:25

What utter nonsense🤣

I don't know, it sounds plausible to me.

Thepeopleversuswork · 12/09/2026 16:36

phoenixrosehere · 12/09/2026 16:30

Perhaps, because that is what you have done?

You keep saying making friends and having friends but now are asking why people have to have labels when unless I have missed it you haven’t said that you put acquaintances as the same as friends..

Sorry I don’t understand what you are trying to say.

OP posts:
phoenixrosehere · 12/09/2026 16:30

Thepeopleversuswork · 12/09/2026 15:17

I understand that… but I don’t really understand why people need to categorise people in these neat little boxes.

Why can’t you just be content to spend time with someone and enjoy their company without the need to define the status of the relationship?

In the final analysis they are someone whose company you enjoy. Does it really matter which side of the friend vs acquaintance line they sit on?

This is the bit I don’t get.

Perhaps, because that is what you have done?

You keep saying making friends and having friends but now are asking why people have to have labels when unless I have missed it you haven’t said that you put acquaintances as the same as friends..

JHound · 12/09/2026 15:39

Thepeopleversuswork · 11/09/2026 08:04

I'm baffled at the number of people on Mumsnet who struggle with the most basic social interactions and find making friends to be traumatic, but have found a life partner to settle down and have kids with.

A significant number of posters on here struggle with friendship or social interaction to various degrees, manifested in the extreme in the declarations that they "hate people", "don't want new friends", find friends to be too much "drama" and only want to spend time with their families. There is a classic of the genre running at the moment in which an OP has taken umbrage at a coworker making fairly mild friendly overtures to her as a gross invasion of her privacy. (But admits that she met her partner at work?) Or just at the milder end of the spectrum the huge amount of anxiety which making new friends seems to generate.

I genuinely don't understand why people who have managed to find an intimate relationship in which to have children can find the prospect of exchanging words outside the school gate or sending a text to a coworker so traumatic.

I found attracting a partner and building a relationship to be a far more fraught and involved process than making friends: there's so much more to lose, so much more vulnerability needed and the prospect of loss of face and self-esteem in the process of dating is far greater than in making friends. But texting someone (platonically) to ask if they want to have a coffee seems to spiral posters into paroxysms of self-doubt. The "school mum" threads are a whole sub-genre in their own right, where the paranoia and suspicion is often seriously irrational.

Why do people find it relatively easy to find a partner but finding friends so difficult? From my perspective it should be the other way around.

I’m like you. I think making friends is hard but much much much easier than finding a life partner.

Idontpostmuch · 12/09/2026 15:30

user1476613140 · 12/09/2026 14:58

Right, I'll bite...

I think the fact DH and I have autistic traits has meant we were drawn to each other and "get" each other. This isn't so easy to do with friendships.

I have always found it hard to maintain a friendship. I have one friend I see regularly. We have a lot in common but we both have stressful lives as parents. Good support to each other. Other than this, I don't keep in touch with friends I made in uni years ago. In my 40s now, and having chronic health issues means getting opportunities are few and far between.

DH is my best friend. He just understands me and I him.

Tbh I think we all have some autistic traits.

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