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AIBU to wonder why many posters find it harder to make friends than find a life partner?

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Thepeopleversuswork · 11/09/2026 08:04

I'm baffled at the number of people on Mumsnet who struggle with the most basic social interactions and find making friends to be traumatic, but have found a life partner to settle down and have kids with.

A significant number of posters on here struggle with friendship or social interaction to various degrees, manifested in the extreme in the declarations that they "hate people", "don't want new friends", find friends to be too much "drama" and only want to spend time with their families. There is a classic of the genre running at the moment in which an OP has taken umbrage at a coworker making fairly mild friendly overtures to her as a gross invasion of her privacy. (But admits that she met her partner at work?) Or just at the milder end of the spectrum the huge amount of anxiety which making new friends seems to generate.

I genuinely don't understand why people who have managed to find an intimate relationship in which to have children can find the prospect of exchanging words outside the school gate or sending a text to a coworker so traumatic.

I found attracting a partner and building a relationship to be a far more fraught and involved process than making friends: there's so much more to lose, so much more vulnerability needed and the prospect of loss of face and self-esteem in the process of dating is far greater than in making friends. But texting someone (platonically) to ask if they want to have a coffee seems to spiral posters into paroxysms of self-doubt. The "school mum" threads are a whole sub-genre in their own right, where the paranoia and suspicion is often seriously irrational.

Why do people find it relatively easy to find a partner but finding friends so difficult? From my perspective it should be the other way around.

OP posts:
Anarchy99 · 13/09/2026 14:51

Thepeopleversuswork · 13/09/2026 12:36

Fair: and if you are happy living like that then crack on.

But a lot of people aren’t happy. So many people (on here and IRL) seem desperately unhappy without friends and drive themselves nuts worrying about their friendships (or lack of them).

You don’t have to be a “philosopher” to identify a social problem and wonder what’s causing it. I don’t understand why you seem to want to disparage people for being interested in a phenomenon that affects millions of people?

But what do you have to gain by keep asking the question? People have explained their situations

Idontpostmuch · 13/09/2026 14:31

Thepeopleversuswork · 13/09/2026 14:26

You say “you’ve been told” as if I am a disobedient child and need to accept your account of this without challenge, as if you were laying down the gospel 🤣

I have had some interesting opinions and accounts on this from different people for sure, its been enlightening. I have found this thread fascinating.

It has shed a lot of light.

Not laying down gospel for everyone, but for those of us in the position you described in your first post, it's true because we feel the 2 things are different, and you can't argue with what we feel.

Thepeopleversuswork · 13/09/2026 14:26

Idontpostmuch · 13/09/2026 12:58

By all means try to work out, in general terms, why some people don't have friends, but with regard to why some such people have found love, you've been told we see the two things differently, and have been given some very plausible reasons why they're not at all the same. You don't seem to 'get it' and I don't see that changing.

You say “you’ve been told” as if I am a disobedient child and need to accept your account of this without challenge, as if you were laying down the gospel 🤣

I have had some interesting opinions and accounts on this from different people for sure, its been enlightening. I have found this thread fascinating.

It has shed a lot of light.

OP posts:
Idontpostmuch · 13/09/2026 13:49

OsfameronTanamoril · 13/09/2026 12:59

It's misogynist to claim that men are geeks and love sci-fi and therefore better company, while women love reality shows and crap TV drama. 🙄
Replace 'women' with another demographic. Say black people. Would it be ok to generalise an entire sex or race?

This entire thread is riddled with internalised deepseated misogyny. Women are apparently catty, bitchy, bullies, prone to drama, shallow, stupid, love crap TV... the list goes on. Men, of course, are princes and intellectual giants.

Edited

All she's saying is that her interests overlap more with men she's met than women she's met. As regards any generalisation she may be making, if indeed she is generalising, the worst that could be said is that she's out of touch or old fashioned. We all do generalise sometimes. For example I think women make much better drivers than men. That doesn't mean I believe all men are aggressive and wreckless on the roads. I don't think the thread is riddled with misogyny - there's a lot about men chasing boring women just to get inside their knickers.

Kpo58 · 13/09/2026 13:18

OsfameronTanamoril · 13/09/2026 12:59

It's misogynist to claim that men are geeks and love sci-fi and therefore better company, while women love reality shows and crap TV drama. 🙄
Replace 'women' with another demographic. Say black people. Would it be ok to generalise an entire sex or race?

This entire thread is riddled with internalised deepseated misogyny. Women are apparently catty, bitchy, bullies, prone to drama, shallow, stupid, love crap TV... the list goes on. Men, of course, are princes and intellectual giants.

Edited

I think that it was true at the time the poster who said it grew up. The problem was around strict gender stereotypes and not allowing women to be geeky at the time without being horribly bullied and ostracised.

Things probably have changed within the last 10 years so the only boys can be geeky stereotype will probably disappear within the next 10 years.

OsfameronTanamoril · 13/09/2026 12:59

Idontpostmuch · 13/09/2026 12:19

There's no misogyny in @PeepDeBeaul post. So she gets on better with males than females. Why shouldn't she! She isn't criticising women.

It's misogynist to claim that men are geeks and love sci-fi and therefore better company, while women love reality shows and crap TV drama. 🙄
Replace 'women' with another demographic. Say black people. Would it be ok to generalise an entire sex or race?

This entire thread is riddled with internalised deepseated misogyny. Women are apparently catty, bitchy, bullies, prone to drama, shallow, stupid, love crap TV... the list goes on. Men, of course, are princes and intellectual giants.

Idontpostmuch · 13/09/2026 12:58

Thepeopleversuswork · 13/09/2026 12:36

Fair: and if you are happy living like that then crack on.

But a lot of people aren’t happy. So many people (on here and IRL) seem desperately unhappy without friends and drive themselves nuts worrying about their friendships (or lack of them).

You don’t have to be a “philosopher” to identify a social problem and wonder what’s causing it. I don’t understand why you seem to want to disparage people for being interested in a phenomenon that affects millions of people?

By all means try to work out, in general terms, why some people don't have friends, but with regard to why some such people have found love, you've been told we see the two things differently, and have been given some very plausible reasons why they're not at all the same. You don't seem to 'get it' and I don't see that changing.

Idontpostmuch · 13/09/2026 12:52

Anarchy99 · 13/09/2026 12:36

They say once you meet one autistic person you have met one autistic person. It is possible to enjoy company but also need a lot of downtime, and still be autistic.

Your comment, and that of the other poster show a certain amount of ignorance.

Oh and if it helps, I am properly diagnosed with AuDHD - the autism diagnosis was 6 years ago and involved 6 or 7 in person assessments.

If it's ignorance, then some professionals are equally ignorant, since some of them say the same thing.

Thepeopleversuswork · 13/09/2026 12:36

Idontpostmuch · 13/09/2026 11:44

You're clearly never going to understand. It should now be obvious that some of us view romantic relationships differently from friendships and don't see it as at all strange that we've been successful with the former and not the latter. Life's like that. Nobody gets a full set of everything, and the wisest know to treasure what we have. I certainly treasure my DH and DCs. We're not all philosophers like you, OP, and so don't need to understand why.

Fair: and if you are happy living like that then crack on.

But a lot of people aren’t happy. So many people (on here and IRL) seem desperately unhappy without friends and drive themselves nuts worrying about their friendships (or lack of them).

You don’t have to be a “philosopher” to identify a social problem and wonder what’s causing it. I don’t understand why you seem to want to disparage people for being interested in a phenomenon that affects millions of people?

OP posts:
Anarchy99 · 13/09/2026 12:36

Idontpostmuch · 13/09/2026 12:13

@SoftIce re autism, that puzzles me too. I think the diagnostic criteria have widened a lot and if it widens much more we'll all be autistic. Also, a lot of people are diagnosing themselves.

They say once you meet one autistic person you have met one autistic person. It is possible to enjoy company but also need a lot of downtime, and still be autistic.

Your comment, and that of the other poster show a certain amount of ignorance.

Oh and if it helps, I am properly diagnosed with AuDHD - the autism diagnosis was 6 years ago and involved 6 or 7 in person assessments.

Mary46 · 13/09/2026 12:31

Yes friends take time and efforts. My work colleague has no friends. Said school mams moved on. But you do need friends too

Idontpostmuch · 13/09/2026 12:25

SoftIce · 13/09/2026 09:02

@Thepeopleversuswork I agree that it wouldn't work with someone who is genuinely socially impaired, but many socially anxious women are really just shy, and in that case, 1:1 attention may well grow into a relationship.

I agree

Idontpostmuch · 13/09/2026 12:19

OsfameronTanamoril · 12/09/2026 20:53

Oh FFS. 'I am not like the other girls'.
In 2026.

The amount of ingrained misogyny on this thread is beyond belief.

There's no misogyny in @PeepDeBeaul post. So she gets on better with males than females. Why shouldn't she! She isn't criticising women.

Idontpostmuch · 13/09/2026 12:13

SoftIce · 13/09/2026 07:29

@Thepeopleversuswork Apologies, I haven't read the full thread, but didn't see the obvious answer on the first page.

It's because, if a woman is reasonably looking, there will be men interested in her even if she has no social skills whatsoever, and the men will do the chasing.

I speak as someone in this position - I am not sociable, I'm taciturn and boring, can't chat, joke, make or keep friends, but inspite of this, over the years men have tried to pursue relationships with me. To be frank, this put me right off them, but I can well imagine that there are women who are only a little "socially anxious" who would be very happy to experience romance and maybe even blossom with the attention and so end up with a partner but no friends.

I'm much more confused when someone says they (or their child) are autistic but are "very sociable" and have a "large group of friends". That does not make any sense to me whatsoever.

Edited

@SoftIce re autism, that puzzles me too. I think the diagnostic criteria have widened a lot and if it widens much more we'll all be autistic. Also, a lot of people are diagnosing themselves.

Idontpostmuch · 13/09/2026 12:07

Meadowfinch · 12/09/2026 16:39

I'm the opposite. No issue making friends, but no luck on the life partner.

I think you may have inadvertently highlighted something. Making friends requires skill. Finding THE ONE is much more down to luck.

Idontpostmuch · 13/09/2026 12:03

ThatCyanCat · 12/09/2026 20:11

I find women generally don't have much in common with me...I'm a geek, I like sci-fi and gaming. I'm not into crap TV dramas or reality TV.

Oh for fuck's sake. Do women still bloody do this?

Do what? Genuine question.

Idontpostmuch · 13/09/2026 11:45

phoenixrosehere · 13/09/2026 09:31

When I read these threads about friend difficulties 90% of the time my internal reaction is to think people need to chill out and stop overthinking things.

I agree but I also wouldn’t use MN as the best example. Most things people worry about on here has never crossed my mind nor have I ever heard it discussed outside of MN. The whole air freshener in bathroom thread is what immediately comes to mind.

That air freshener thread is absurd. A joke thread perhaps?

Idontpostmuch · 13/09/2026 11:44

Thepeopleversuswork · 13/09/2026 06:37

I know some people do look at it like this. But I suggest that this sort of rigidity is a major factor in people struggling with friendships.

When I read these threads about friend difficulties 90% of the time my internal reaction is to think people need to chill out and stop overthinking things.

You're clearly never going to understand. It should now be obvious that some of us view romantic relationships differently from friendships and don't see it as at all strange that we've been successful with the former and not the latter. Life's like that. Nobody gets a full set of everything, and the wisest know to treasure what we have. I certainly treasure my DH and DCs. We're not all philosophers like you, OP, and so don't need to understand why.

JavierBardemswife · 13/09/2026 11:25

It's because, if a woman is reasonably looking, there will be men interested in her even if she has no social skills whatsoever, and the men will do the chasing.

Yes, this will get you a shag. Or, multiple shags. It wont guarantee you a years-long successful, loving relationship.

If that were the case, then all attractive people would be in amazing, supportive relationships and all unattractive people would all be perpetually single and we know thats not the case or how it works

phoenixrosehere · 13/09/2026 09:31

Thepeopleversuswork · 13/09/2026 06:37

I know some people do look at it like this. But I suggest that this sort of rigidity is a major factor in people struggling with friendships.

When I read these threads about friend difficulties 90% of the time my internal reaction is to think people need to chill out and stop overthinking things.

When I read these threads about friend difficulties 90% of the time my internal reaction is to think people need to chill out and stop overthinking things.

I agree but I also wouldn’t use MN as the best example. Most things people worry about on here has never crossed my mind nor have I ever heard it discussed outside of MN. The whole air freshener in bathroom thread is what immediately comes to mind.

SoftIce · 13/09/2026 09:02

@Thepeopleversuswork I agree that it wouldn't work with someone who is genuinely socially impaired, but many socially anxious women are really just shy, and in that case, 1:1 attention may well grow into a relationship.

Thepeopleversuswork · 13/09/2026 08:35

SoftIce · 13/09/2026 07:29

@Thepeopleversuswork Apologies, I haven't read the full thread, but didn't see the obvious answer on the first page.

It's because, if a woman is reasonably looking, there will be men interested in her even if she has no social skills whatsoever, and the men will do the chasing.

I speak as someone in this position - I am not sociable, I'm taciturn and boring, can't chat, joke, make or keep friends, but inspite of this, over the years men have tried to pursue relationships with me. To be frank, this put me right off them, but I can well imagine that there are women who are only a little "socially anxious" who would be very happy to experience romance and maybe even blossom with the attention and so end up with a partner but no friends.

I'm much more confused when someone says they (or their child) are autistic but are "very sociable" and have a "large group of friends". That does not make any sense to me whatsoever.

Edited

I know what you mean but I’m not sure this quite answers it.

Being reasonably good looking will certainly attract a lot of male attention and you don’t have to do much more than smile.

But that’s not enough to build a lifetime partnership on?

OP posts:
ShutteredUp · 13/09/2026 08:34

Kpo58 · 12/09/2026 18:52

Because you do different things with people at different levels of friendship. You aren't going to go on a night out with an acquaintance and someone who thinks that you are their bestie won't be happy with just a quick chat at the school gates. Having a rough idea of how the other person sees you, then can tell you what type of things that you can likely do with them.

But the important thing, and the only thing you can control, is how you see them.

SoftIce · 13/09/2026 07:29

@Thepeopleversuswork Apologies, I haven't read the full thread, but didn't see the obvious answer on the first page.

It's because, if a woman is reasonably looking, there will be men interested in her even if she has no social skills whatsoever, and the men will do the chasing.

I speak as someone in this position - I am not sociable, I'm taciturn and boring, can't chat, joke, make or keep friends, but inspite of this, over the years men have tried to pursue relationships with me. To be frank, this put me right off them, but I can well imagine that there are women who are only a little "socially anxious" who would be very happy to experience romance and maybe even blossom with the attention and so end up with a partner but no friends.

I'm much more confused when someone says they (or their child) are autistic but are "very sociable" and have a "large group of friends". That does not make any sense to me whatsoever.

beAsensible1 · 13/09/2026 06:52

CheeseWisely · 11/09/2026 09:03

Controversial opinion but from what I’ve seen in threads on MN, the bar for positive contribution to the relationship is often considerably lower for a partner than it would be for a friend.

This.

the way friendship is viewed on here is a sort of an npc who can never fuck up or disagree or even have an opinion. Just a floating yes person. But your lying and cheating hating husband is on chance 56 and you think he can change.

let alone the way female friendships are talked about is often extremely misogynistic on here. Bitchy, cliquey, catty, queen be, jealousy.

it’s honestly so bizarre.

but I think a lot of it is how social gatherings are often scoffed and scorned. You hate hen dos, it’s your friend shut up and go and just leave early. It’s not about you. I went to this Fridays for 10 years for 3 mates birthdays. I bloody hate the place, I love my friends so I went and had a good time because I enjoyed their company! You do have to compromise and be flexible for friends just as you do a partner. You can’t only do what you want and then wonder why you’re billy no mates.

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