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Greyrock79 · 2026-09-10T06:16:41+00:00

To think that Burnham’s words are going to haunt his premiership? *^‘…national security can’t come at the expense of social security…’^*

EasternStandard · 10/09/2026 22:16

sunshinesuki · 10/09/2026 22:04

Well that's huge word salad that says absolutely nothing.

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Yep

CoventryCity · 10/09/2026 22:11

11AndCounting · 10/09/2026 22:00

Mind you if the English get a vote (ie. choice) next time, we might get a different result.
I doubt it, as that would only increase England's energy dependence, at a time of wide public support for North Sea drilling.

Not sure why they'd get a vote on it anyway, mind.

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But there will be no more north sea drilling AB said

Because it's a decision that affects England and Scotland. So both should get a say. Democratic innit.

sunshinesuki · 10/09/2026 22:04

Switchnow · 10/09/2026 21:35

This is what he said:

‘I say to the right hon. Lady that, yes, we do everything to support our national security, but it cannot come at the expense of social security. Having strong national security also depends on resilience in our communities. We on the Labour Benches will not be forced to choose between the two, and we will set out a plan to get to 3.5% by 2035 at the spending review.’

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Well that's huge word salad that says absolutely nothing.

11AndCounting · 10/09/2026 22:00

CoventryCity · 10/09/2026 21:42

AB really is an amateur. I believe he also said he's open to another Scottish referendum. He reminds me of Prince George in Blackadder. Mind you if the English get a vote (ie. choice) next time, we might get a different result.

Mind you if the English get a vote (ie. choice) next time, we might get a different result.
I doubt it, as that would only increase England's energy dependence, at a time of wide public support for North Sea drilling.

Not sure why they'd get a vote on it anyway, mind.

Papyrophile · 10/09/2026 21:58

Defensive positions? Not certain those would be my first choices. The Cotswolds more than Muswell Hill for definite, but I would go for the highest ground.

SevenYellowHammers · 10/09/2026 21:52

Papyrophile · 10/09/2026 20:47

The Home Guard.............. I don't think so. On the next flight somewhere else more likely.

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Cotswolds and Muswell Hill

11AndCounting · 10/09/2026 21:52

Papyrophile · 10/09/2026 21:19

I've been reading along for the last six hours or so. I think I am caught up. And I did read the papers, so I read two serious broadsheet papers' reports. Andy Burnham said that he is likely to put social equality and justice ahead of national defence. We will be just as dead either way.

Andy Burnham said that he is likely to put social equality and justice ahead of national defence.
No, he didn't.

Papyrophile · 10/09/2026 21:49

If the UK/England were to get the vote of Scottish independence, I think I would vote for it. Provided it severed every single financial tie between the nations.

Papyrophile · 10/09/2026 21:45

Switchnow · 10/09/2026 21:35

This is what he said:

‘I say to the right hon. Lady that, yes, we do everything to support our national security, but it cannot come at the expense of social security. Having strong national security also depends on resilience in our communities. We on the Labour Benches will not be forced to choose between the two, and we will set out a plan to get to 3.5% by 2035 at the spending review.’

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Blabber, blabber, blabber ---- frankly.

CoventryCity · 10/09/2026 21:42

RedToothBrush · 10/09/2026 21:40

2035?!

That's hilarious.

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rather 'optimistic'

CoventryCity · 10/09/2026 21:42

AB really is an amateur. I believe he also said he's open to another Scottish referendum. He reminds me of Prince George in Blackadder. Mind you if the English get a vote (ie. choice) next time, we might get a different result.

Papyrophile · 10/09/2026 21:41

@RedToothBrush , I am good at European Romance languages but beginners Mandarin at 70 looks a big ask. Gulp.

RedToothBrush · 10/09/2026 21:40

Switchnow · 10/09/2026 21:35

This is what he said:

‘I say to the right hon. Lady that, yes, we do everything to support our national security, but it cannot come at the expense of social security. Having strong national security also depends on resilience in our communities. We on the Labour Benches will not be forced to choose between the two, and we will set out a plan to get to 3.5% by 2035 at the spending review.’

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2035?!

That's hilarious.

CoventryCity · 10/09/2026 21:38

RedToothBrush · 10/09/2026 21:26

China is the safeguarding financial bet right now. Not the US or the UK or EU.

Learn Mandarin.

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A fancy all female retirement complex in the UK would suit me fine. China no thanks! Thriving or not.

Papyrophile · 10/09/2026 21:36

Seriously. We are 70. We have some health issues, but we have done okay financially. We have enough money if we stay well and die at 77. Statistically, my DH may not get there, but I probably will as all my GGPs made their late 80s in decent shape. If I go blind, what would I prefer for my dependent geriatric years? Who makes the choice?

Switchnow · 10/09/2026 21:35

Papyrophile · 10/09/2026 21:19

I've been reading along for the last six hours or so. I think I am caught up. And I did read the papers, so I read two serious broadsheet papers' reports. Andy Burnham said that he is likely to put social equality and justice ahead of national defence. We will be just as dead either way.

This is what he said:

‘I say to the right hon. Lady that, yes, we do everything to support our national security, but it cannot come at the expense of social security. Having strong national security also depends on resilience in our communities. We on the Labour Benches will not be forced to choose between the two, and we will set out a plan to get to 3.5% by 2035 at the spending review.’

RedToothBrush · 10/09/2026 21:26

Papyrophile · 10/09/2026 21:21

Dead or broke... a retirement complex in Chiang Mai looks more and more attractive every day.

China is the safeguarding financial bet right now. Not the US or the UK or EU.

Learn Mandarin.

Papyrophile · 10/09/2026 21:21

Dead or broke... a retirement complex in Chiang Mai looks more and more attractive every day.

Papyrophile · 10/09/2026 21:19

I've been reading along for the last six hours or so. I think I am caught up. And I did read the papers, so I read two serious broadsheet papers' reports. Andy Burnham said that he is likely to put social equality and justice ahead of national defence. We will be just as dead either way.

11AndCounting · 10/09/2026 21:08

Papyrophile · 10/09/2026 21:03

I've been off line and off grid for 24 hours, and it sounds like Andy Burnham, the Prime Minister, has said that he will favour paying benefits over any other priority. Who is going to get up to go to work every morning to pay? I shan't have a choice because I will pay 20% of everything over my £12,570 state pension next year.

Going to work HAS to pay better than milking the benefit cow.

I've been off line and off grid for 24 hours, and it sounds like Andy Burnham, the Prime Minister, has said that he will favour paying benefits over any other priority.
Maybe you should read up, that's not what he said.

Papyrophile · 10/09/2026 21:03

I've been off line and off grid for 24 hours, and it sounds like Andy Burnham, the Prime Minister, has said that he will favour paying benefits over any other priority. Who is going to get up to go to work every morning to pay? I shan't have a choice because I will pay 20% of everything over my £12,570 state pension next year.

Going to work HAS to pay better than milking the benefit cow.

Papyrophile · 10/09/2026 20:52

They are not going to be a Home Guard doing ARP drills, are they? They need bodyguards to keep the public away from them.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 10/09/2026 20:51

Sometimessmiling · 10/09/2026 18:49

You obviously didn't hear the full Question Time and picking up the right wing reports because they are taking it totally out of context.......here are the reasons the public are never informed or happy, just grab the sound bites that are skewed

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I heard the full PMQs and thats pretty much the essence of what he said. Unfortunately for him.

Papyrophile · 10/09/2026 20:47

SevenYellowHammers · 10/09/2026 18:26

Well, Meghan and Harry, Bobby Dylan, Ellen degeneres, Beyoncé and Jay Z, all over here presumably feeling a bit more secure than in Donald Town.

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The Home Guard.............. I don't think so. On the next flight somewhere else more likely.

quantumbutterfly · 10/09/2026 20:43

RedToothBrush · 10/09/2026 12:42

Sometimes people write such utter drivel.

War is a bad thing if you and/or your family/friends end up dead.

I don't think a lot of people will be bothered enough by the end of the Capitalism to sacrifice their children for it.

I doubt my great grandfather who fought in WW1 was cheering on the fact that his daughters would get the vote when his 18 year old mates were getting shot around him. Nor do I think my grandfather was really thinking 'great free healthcare' when his neighbours were getting bombed out and was getting shot at by German aircraft over Hamburg.

Posts like this are so utterly removed from the reality and experience of war. They show up the utter privilege and the lack of awareness of the poster making them.

Live through a war, THEN come back to me spouting ideological crap like this and I might take it seriously.

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I hoped that poster was trying to be droll.

Though I agree completely with the points you've made in this post.