To say all pro-Palestinians should watch Fauda on Netflix?

oh wait, you were celebrating in the streets.

You are making so many wild and false accusations on this thread.

All the more reason for Israel to allow OCHA to send in independent investigators to verify the death toll.

As for the figures, no natural deaths are not included in the death toll attributed to the war. Nor are deaths from internal violence like looting, crime, and gangs.

No one has asked or expected them to report on deaths other than those attributed to the war. So the figures do not include them. Israel did not report on natural deaths on Oct 7th either. The death toll from the West Bank similarly excludes natural deaths. This is standard practice worldwide in all conflicts.

The only barrier to investigation and validation of the death toll during a ceasefire that has lasted almost a year is Israel’s current government blocking access.

On the several hundred deaths from malnutrition due to lack of food aid for civilians with special dietary needs, we will have to disagree. I personally don’t think those qualify as natural deaths because if the war had not happened, these deaths would not have happened.

Where has Hamas reported the 'natural' or non war related deaths since 2023?

There were approx 5,000-6,000 deaths every year from old age, illness, accidents etc which is actually very low for a population of 2 million, a percentage of 0.3%.

As far as I'm aware Hamas has not published a separate number for these deaths since the war, so 15,000 -18,000 deaths in the death toll are not related to the war.

There are also likely many thousands of deaths from Hamas executions of suspected 'collaborators' and tribal wars, as well as deaths from misfired rockets, IEDS and land mines which will account for many of the amputation injuries as well.

Hamas is never going to admit that, because why on earth would they, so we'll never know the true figure.

The videos of terrorists firing rockets from the INSIDE tents in camps and planting booby traps in residential areas and homes (which people would have returned to) are beyond parody of the way Hamas operates.

Can I ask you, if I happen to be of one of the races or ethnicity Jalapenos doesn’t respect, is it still unreasonable if I don’t want her to explain to me how I should respect her ethnicity? I’m fascinated that anyone would think this unreasonable.

You haven’t answered this question. It’s key really to this conversation. I’d be interested to hear your answer. I mean, I know you can’t answer it. If you say no, you’re admitting I’m right to reject Jalapenos offers to lecture me about antisemitism. If you say yes, you’re admitting you think it’s okay for someone who doesn’t respect the race or ethnicity of the person they are speaking to to lecture them on antisemitism, which is clearly a nonsense. Anyway, you might want to have a go.

I think she made it pretty clear: she not talking out respect. She's talking about not inciting violence.

I thought they made it pretty clear they were talking about respect, the way they repeated it several times and made quite explicit that they don’t respect all races and ethnicities. Did you miss that?

But I tell you what: next time a Jewish person is beaten up or attacked by one of your lot, go up to them and tell them how much you "respect" them. Then chant "From the River to the Sea".
See how that goes down.

Who are “my lot”? Who of “my lot” beats people up, Jewish or otherwise? No-one I know. Why would I chant “From the River to The Sea” if saw someone attacked? I’ve never even said it, never mind chanted it. What a strange thing to say.

It is a very, very odd position to try to defend that a person from group A can say that they don’t respect groups B, C and D but then berate a person from unknown group (possibly B, C or D) and express outrage that that person is not respecting group A. Don’t you think?

And just to be clear, as I know you like to twist things, person D in this scenario (ie me) respects groups A, B, C and D.

You do know that the basis of antiracism is that it applies to all races and ethnicities? Otherwise it’s not antiracism.

Strong stuff. I think the tide is slowly turning.

So you don’t want them all driven out of Gaza then?

https://youtube.com/shorts/odtzjI6Im34?is=GcGr3zHevybw00Q4

Andrew Marr on theft of Palestinian land for Israeli settlers.

https://youtube.com/shorts/odtzjI6Im34?is=GcGr3zHevybw00Q4

Andrew Marr on theft of Palestinian land for Israeli settlers.

How do you "restrict" a government? "Restrictions" always impact the ordinary people, not the government.

Palestinian tourists aren't banned from certain countries. Nobody goes on "Palestinian hunts", Palestinians aren't assaulted for speaking Arabic abroad or wearing a Kaffiyeh. Yet all the above happens to Israelis - and not government officials to spare me the whole "its only the government I have a problem with".

And nobody actually thinks any of that about Palestinians: we mostly just want Palestinians to stop murdering people and weaponising their own kids.

I think she made it pretty clear: she not talking out respect. She's talking about not inciting violence. But I tell you what: next time a Jewish person is beaten up or attacked by one of your lot, go up to them and tell them how much you "respect" them. Then chant "From the River to the Sea".

See how that goes down.

Are you not in the UK?

The embassy is not paid for by Israeli govt, why make that up?

This is the same UK which has its Consulate Building in East Jerusalem- deemed "occupied land". Which means the British have a nice building paid for by the Israeli government in land they're sanctioning the Israelis for living on. Hypocrites as ever.

There you go again…DETERMINED to see antisemitism.

NO.

Neither of those things.

Israel, currently, has a rogue government. It is extreme. And it is committing heinous crimes, almost daily.

Nothing to do with Jews or Jewishness.

https://youtube.com/shorts/odtzjI6Im34?is=GcGr3zHevybw00Q4

Andrew Marr on theft of Palestinian land for Israeli settlers.

So if your definition of a "Western" country is elections is that why Palestinians are allowed to get away with war crimes.

Seriously, we all know there's a double standard applied to Israel and we know exactly why it is.

Let me guess "don't equate Jews with Israelis" and "Israel is the real cause of all antisemitism" as well?

Russia is NOT a western country. They don’t even have elections! (Proper elections).

That’s not what I’m saying at all.
Seriously, your determination to see antisemitism does a disservice to Jews. When it’s there it’s real and incredibly dangerous. When it’s not, but keeps being called out as such, it just undermines all antisemitism claims.