To say all pro-Palestinians should watch Fauda on Netflix?

cries of “think of the children”

You’re really telling on yourself there. Such as awful and minimising way to talk about so many dead children.

You are aware I’m sure that many babies have been killed. Were they terrorists too? <awaits reason why mentioning babies killed by the IDF is a fallacy>

Are you denying that tens of thousands (ie 20,000 or more) innocent Palestinians have been killed?

Perhaps you don’t believe that any Palestinians are innocent civilians?

No. It’s a war crimes problem.

Its not about "respect". Its about spreading rumours and lies which have been proven to cause harm to real people. The inciting incident of October 7th was a rumour the Jews were planning to flood Al- Asqa Mosque.

The inciting incident of the 1929 Hebron Massacre was a similar rumour.

Blood libels kill people. This is a fact, and it takes precedence over your opinions or feelings.

You think the difference between “race and ethnicity” and “culture” is semantics? Blimey

I didn’t want to get into this discussion because I don’t usually debate race with people who don’t respect all races (what’s the word for such people, it’s on the tip of my tongue) but since you push it -

If you’re from a race or ethnic court that hates women no I don’t respect your race or ethnicity

Which races and ethnicities do you believe hate women and don’t you respect? Please tell me which races and ethnicities are not worthy of respect?

Can you explain how you don’t respect these races or ethnicities because they “hate women” but you simultaneously don’t respect the women of these races and ethnicities because of their race or ethnicity?

I know we have all seen it

Pretty gross if you ask me

Think people can have strong views and empthy for Gaza etc without losing their morals in this way. It doesn't really help anyone they claim to want to help. Just used to twist the knife in others pain also to try and neutralise any empthy towards Israelis or Jews.

Did you deduct the more than 10,000 natural deaths from that figure which Hamas also admitted they included? As well as the people counted twice and the instances of adults being recorded as children?

Also you really need to take account of Hamas propensity for recruiting teenagers in your cries of "think of the children!".

I've legitimately seen people calling October 7th a "military operation" and the hostages as "prisoners of war" in order to legitimise Hamas actions and downplay their targeting of civilians.

No. It’s a war crimes problem.

I think every pro-Palestinian I’ve known at some point peddles antisemitic tropes, even if they don’t realise it. The whole Doe-eyed “Oh I’m only criticising the Israeli government” I’m afraid stopped washing with me a LONG time ago. The silence on the IRGC and many, many countries doing much much worse to much much larger non-terrorist populations makes me think it’s not an Israel problem they have, it’s a Jew problem.

I think you don't understand what I have said.

Not claiming any words, well apart from antisemitism because that was an actual word uninvented just to describe Jew hate.

What I am saying is words commonly used to describe various Jewish pains or prejudice against Jews are frequently used to counter any empthy towards Jews

This is a very deliberate tactic eg using the word hostage to describe Hamas and Gazen prisoners after the 7th October hostage taking or using the word Holocaust to describe deaths in Gaza. There are plenty of other words people could use but they don't. They use the same words in a deliberate tactic to try and top trumps the pain happening. To also neutralise any possible empthy towards Jewish people. Very deliberate and very obvious to most people considering the tactic is used quite often.

Sorry but you can’t steal the term “blood libel” away from us because it’s never been our property.

Blood libel is a generic term where one group accuses another group of ritual murder where the blood is then used for ritualistic purposes.

In the medieval period, blood libels were often used against Jewish communities alleging we stole Christian babies, murdered them and used their blood in rituals. A common one was adding the blood of babies to the matza meal for Passover.

I know AI summaries from searches will tell you blood libel originated in 1144AD and has always been antisemitic, but that is not correct.

Blood libel was used between Ancient Greek city states (Spartans exposing infants was one)
Blood libel was used by the Romans against early Christians.
Blood libel has been used between different Christian sects (catholic vs orthodox vs syriac)
Blood libel was used against women in the medieval witch hunts
Blood libel was used against 19th c Christian missionaries in Asia (Tianjin massacre)
Blood libel was used against pagans in the 1980s (see Satan panics)

So yes, we have been particularly targeted by blood libels for millennia, but we don’t own the word blood libel nor are we the sole & unique victims of it.

Blood libel can be used by one group against any other group at any time in history ancient, medieval or modern.

False rumours and accusations of violence aren’t all blood libel though.

I think it’s important to understand that blood libel specifically relates to false accusations of ritualistic murder. The false accusation that Hamas beheaded 40 babies could be blood libel if the false rumour was linked to Islamic religious practices or beliefs. The reason it’s not blood libel isn’t because it wasn’t antisemitic, but because there was no allegation of it being done as ritualistic murders.

Yes, all false allegations of violence do stir up hatred and can cause harm to the accused group. They don’t have to be blood libel to do that.

I don’t think a link to the breakdown of casualties has been posted? I recall screenshots. Would you happen to have a link to where you are getting these figures from?

Did you deduct the more than 10,000 natural deaths from that figure which Hamas also admitted they included? As well as the people counted twice and the instances of adults being recorded as children?

Also you really need to take account of Hamas propensity for recruiting teenagers in your cries of "think of the children!".

Hamas own figures reveal more than 1/3 of the people killed in Gaza were their own fighters. So saying "tens of thousands of innocent people" is misinformation in itself.

2/3 of 70,000 is approx 46,500, many of whom were women and children.

Your point is untrue.

It is more correct to say the the blood libel against Jews are the most long-standing and often repeated ones/that they are more frequently the subject of them than any other group. The claim about killing children and drinking their blood has been repeated constantly since 1144. Most recently in the 1940s by the leader of the Arab League.

Hamas own figures reveal more than 1/3 of the people killed in Gaza were their own fighters. So saying "tens of thousands of innocent people" is misinformation in itself.

And if you actually take the trouble to examine the "settler violence" claims it includes thinks like Jews walking on the Temple Mount. This directly feeds into blood libels about the very presence of "non-believers" there being an act of aggression.

As @inamarina says, none of the above were a direct result of the beheaded baby story. They resulted from very real, documented, atrocities by Hamas.

Trying to co-opt blood libels and the resultant violence against Jews to cast Hamas as the "real" victim is horrendous, actually.

Not sure how to make it even clearer.
To say “I don’t respect all ethnicities” is not the same as to falsely claim that a certain ethnicity does that horrendous thing X/Y/Z.
Personally, I’d say the latter is worse, as it’s more likely to incite violence towards the ethnic group in question.

Sorry but you can’t steal the term “blood libel” away from us because it’s never been our property.

Blood libel is a generic term where one group accuses another group of ritual murder where the blood is then used for ritualistic purposes.

In the medieval period, blood libels were often used against Jewish communities alleging we stole Christian babies, murdered them and used their blood in rituals. A common one was adding the blood of babies to the matza meal for Passover.

I know AI summaries from searches will tell you blood libel originated in 1144AD and has always been antisemitic, but that is not correct.

Blood libel was used between Ancient Greek city states (Spartans exposing infants was one)
Blood libel was used by the Romans against early Christians.
Blood libel has been used between different Christian sects (catholic vs orthodox vs syriac)
Blood libel was used against women in the medieval witch hunts
Blood libel was used against 19th c Christian missionaries in Asia (Tianjin massacre)
Blood libel was used against pagans in the 1980s (see Satan panics)

So yes, we have been particularly targeted by blood libels for millennia, but we don’t own the word blood libel nor are we the sole & unique victims of it.

Blood libel can be used by one group against any other group at any time in history ancient, medieval or modern.

False rumours and accusations of violence aren’t all blood libel though.

I think it’s important to understand that blood libel specifically relates to false accusations of ritualistic murder. The false accusation that Hamas beheaded 40 babies could be blood libel if the false rumour was linked to Islamic religious practices or beliefs. The reason it’s not blood libel isn’t because it wasn’t antisemitic, but because there was no allegation of it being done as ritualistic murders.

Yes, all false allegations of violence do stir up hatred and can cause harm to the accused group. They don’t have to be blood libel to do that.

As I told the other person, has any of this "misinformation" directly resulted in violence against Palestinians? How many terrorist attacks have there been targeting Palestinians? How often are Palestinians beaten up in the streets?

So you’re going to ignore the tens of thousands of deaths of innocent people, including children, at the hands of the IDF, the treatment of Palestinian prisoners and the beatings and murders by terrorist settlers for the purposes of this particular point? None of this could be in any way influenced or worsened by false claims against Palestinians? Of course not.

We’re not talking about “hating someone” though, are we? We’re talking about hating a race or ethnicity. I’m sure you appreciate the difference.

I’m frankly gobsmacked that several people on this thread have come out to bat in support of someone who say this

And no I don’t respect all races ethnicities and religions.

I’ve never seen anything like it before on MN.

Amazing how everything that they feel could possibly give any empthy to Jews gets stolen from them. The history of racism and prosecution towards the often most vulnerable minority group means certain words were used to describe their suffering. However the haters will continue to try and steal even those away. A word full of words and phrases that someone could use but no they always have to claim anything showing Jewish pain can, just to numb people to what it is they are really doing or promoting themselves.

The war that followed the October 7th attack wasn’t simply triggered by the ‘40 beheaded babies’ claim.
Whether or not you agree with Israel’s response, it wasn’t just based on false claims.

Hating someone is one thing.
Telling others lies about that person to encourage them to hate them too, is another.
Personally, I’d say the latter is worse.