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To think that Labour’s/Andy Burnham’s tariffs on Jewish Settlers and their statement on Palestine is a well timed publicity stunt to divert attention from their complete lack of inaction regarding illegal migrants arriving by boat.

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bluespotsandztarz · 09/09/2026 06:50

I don’t meant to be cynical but I think Labour have done this to carry favour with those who want to ditch Labour for the Green Party. We all know Labour isn’t run by its leader, instead by their back benchers!

What the Settlers are doing on the West Bank is horrific, however Labour were not being so vocal a few weeks ago when the rest of the world was. It feels a ‘well-timed’ publicity stunt to take away attention from their complete inaction about the amount of illegal immigrants arriving in this country. I was appalled by the protests over the weekend. And as a woman with a daughter, these thugs do not protest in my name. However, the government MUST address the fact that we have thousands of undocumented male immigrants coming into the UK free to go wherever they want. Andy Burnham is happy to house them in their thousands wherever he sees fit and I have not heard him OR his government talk about women’s safety once. Burnham can make as many cosy ‘I’m just a man who goes to Greggs and likes a pint.’ Videos as he wants but until he acknowledges how undocumented men pose a great risk to women’s safety, I won’t be supporting him or his party.

Please do not come up with facts and stats about white British males, I am acutely aware of the violence they also inflict against women and equally appalled by the Government’s inaction over this. But I find it horrific that if you have no documents and the government have no idea who you are you’re free to roam. This should not be allowed.

I feel so ignored as a woman in the UK our safety and wellbeing is way down the governments’ long list of priorities. I’m sick of the back benchers and those swaying to the far left or far right being given so much air time, whilst those of us in the middle are ignored day in and day out I voted for Labour in the last election but never again!

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dh280125 · 09/09/2026 10:43

Limeandfigs · 09/09/2026 10:38

Do you think that makes a difference to those who are anti-Semitic? Do you really think they'd leave him alone because he doesn't practice his faith publicly?

Yup. I think he's marxist Labour royalty and absolutely a hypocrite to claim his Jewish ancestry is in anyway a mitigation for this, or other, anti Israel policies he's espoused.

soddingspiderseason · 09/09/2026 10:42

Numbers on small boats are down significantly. Illegal settlements need to be sanctioned. Government can focus on more than one thing at a time.

2dogsandabudgie · 09/09/2026 10:41

We are paying the French Government £550 million to stop small boat crossings so I would hope they have gone down. In 2023 29,400 migrants crossed the channel, in 2024 that figure rose to 36,000 and in 2025 the figure rose yet again to 41,500.

There are less individual boat crossings but the boats have got larger with more people crammed onto the boats. In just 2 days this last week over 700 migrants crossed the channel. I'm not sure why Labour supporters think there is anything to celebrate.

Limeandfigs · 09/09/2026 10:38

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Do you think that makes a difference to those who are anti-Semitic? Do you really think they'd leave him alone because he doesn't practice his faith publicly?

dh280125 · 09/09/2026 10:33

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dh280125 · 09/09/2026 10:30

Labour has track record in antisemitism. This is no different.

thepariscrimefiles · 09/09/2026 10:26

SamTR1 · 09/09/2026 08:00

You could equally argue why did this week’s German election deliver an enormous win for the AfD?

Either way if you are defending Labour as not being anti semitic in part due to a chunk of their voter base then I’m afraid you are severely deluded.

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As this was driven by Ed Miliband who is Jewish, do you think that is he an anti-semite or that other crass cliche, 'a self-hating Jew'?

SnipSnipMrBurgess · 09/09/2026 10:25

bluespotsandztarz · 09/09/2026 10:13

@SnipSnipMrBurgessand what about the innocent children in Sudan/Congo/Myanmar/Iran/Afghanistan?

Yes, I can think about more than one thing at once including what is happening in other countries.

Everything should be done to protect those kids too.

I want kids in your country to be safe.

I want kids in my country to be safe.

I want kids in every country to be safe.

I would have thought that was standard for everyone but if you are using whataboutery in relation to dead children, then maybe not.

LuckyHazelFox · 09/09/2026 10:23

Yetanotherone12 · 09/09/2026 10:21

Is there a “most dangerous religion”?

would MI5 work from the principle that x religion is dangerous? Do you really think they categorise risk based on faith?

no particular religion is dangerous. Extremism and crimes committed in the name of any religion is dangerous.

No they work on culture, which can be interweaved with religion. Are you denying the evidence that Islamic extremism remains the biggest threat?

Yetanotherone12 · 09/09/2026 10:21

LuckyHazelFox · 09/09/2026 10:16

Guess the most dangerous religion is news to MI5.

Is there a “most dangerous religion”?

would MI5 work from the principle that x religion is dangerous? Do you really think they categorise risk based on faith?

no particular religion is dangerous. Extremism and crimes committed in the name of any religion is dangerous.

LuckyHazelFox · 09/09/2026 10:16

Yetanotherone12 · 09/09/2026 10:09

Yep.

some Muslims commit crime- all Muslims are bad

some Jews commit crime- condemn them and you’re antisemitic.

Jewish people can do bad things, just as Muslims and Christians can.

in fact I believe the most dangerous religion at the moment is the rise of the fundamental Christians, and their use of religion to condemn anyone who doesn’t fall in line. The politics of the USA is increasingly influential in this country, and that poses more danger than people think.

Guess the most dangerous religion is news to MI5.

Moreinthepot · 09/09/2026 10:16

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 09/09/2026 09:54

Interesting that not a single poster has replied to your post.
I’m surprised someone hasn’t come along and called you a liar.
That appears to be the standard reply to shut people up about the realities of what certain areas are already facing.

I can’t speak to why other posters didn’t engage with this post - the reason I didn’t reply was because it’s hard to engage in a good faith, facts based discussion starting from this kind of post. I absolutely don’t deny the poster’s concerns and anxieties about their own area, but the idea that undocumented young men are causing a universal, unmanageable surge in violent crime everywhere across the country just isn’t backed to by national crime data.

It’s also irrelevant really, to this discussion, because - even if we do accept those claims to be true - then they would be issues that the Home Office should be dealing with. A functioning, competent government should be able to deal with many issues at once, and domestic issues needing to be dealt with should not stop the Foreign Secretary from doing his job, which is to protect and speak up for British interests and British values through our foreign policy.

Yetanotherone12 · 09/09/2026 10:15

Ohyoudodoyou · 09/09/2026 07:38

People blindly ignoring the very changes taking place around them. My local area has changed beyond recognition and we are fully aware that the people here now running businesses (Afghan and Albanian here locally) have such a grip on the local community (trafficking, drugs, brothels, money laundering all openly operating in plain view) and the NCA unable to tackle it. It may or may not have happened in your area yet, but don’t worry it will. The rise in crime alongside that on my formerly lovely area (stabbings, assaults, robberies, sexual violence, shoplifting) is happening everywhere. Most of these are not reported. Or in my case, they are reported and the police do follow up (three times…) yes. I do link it with the arrival of undocumented young men, it’s a global business and we are politely fiddling whilst Rome burns!

Which area is this?

most areas with high knife crime are inner cities. I’ve had a quick google and those places where it’s on the increase are those with high deprivation and poverty.

Nothing that fits with a “formerly lovely” area now being a high crime area.

bluespotsandztarz · 09/09/2026 10:13

@SnipSnipMrBurgessand what about the innocent children in Sudan/Congo/Myanmar/Iran/Afghanistan?

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bluespotsandztarz · 09/09/2026 10:13

@Cheeks4970where did I say that? I questioned the timing of the announcement and yes I want the government to do more to protect women and girls in this country from ALL males. I am allowed this opinion. Whilst your main cause might be Palestine mine isn’t.

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SnipSnipMrBurgess · 09/09/2026 10:11

bluespotsandztarz · 09/09/2026 07:04

@WingnutSOSno, seemingly everything is about Palestine

As ot should be, those innocent children are being slaughtered.

bluespotsandztarz · 09/09/2026 10:10

@11AndCountinggenuine questions if you’re so sick of hearing about the boats why are you on a thread commenting about it?

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Cheeks4970 · 09/09/2026 10:09

bluespotsandztarz · 09/09/2026 08:39

@Cheeks4970I do quite a lot regarding violence against women! Not on a mass protest scale, but I work on youth projects, that aim to better help and educate young men and women around violence and misogyny against women (in all cultures)!

but you think there's a bit too much focus on the violence levied against Palestinians?

Yetanotherone12 · 09/09/2026 10:09

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 09/09/2026 07:51

Please clarify what exactly is antisemitic about the government's actions?

Do you think it is possible to criticise the Israeli government without being antisemitic?

Do you think it is antisemitic to be concerned about the actions of the Israeli settlers?

Is there a way in which the UK government could have taken action on these issues without you concluding that they were antisemitic? What do you think they should have done differently?

I thought Ed Miliband chose his words very carefully yesterday and that he tried to make the distinctions very clear. I am very interested in understanding what exactly you perceived to be antisemitic.

Yep.

some Muslims commit crime- all Muslims are bad

some Jews commit crime- condemn them and you’re antisemitic.

Jewish people can do bad things, just as Muslims and Christians can.

in fact I believe the most dangerous religion at the moment is the rise of the fundamental Christians, and their use of religion to condemn anyone who doesn’t fall in line. The politics of the USA is increasingly influential in this country, and that poses more danger than people think.

RealBecca · 09/09/2026 10:08

Can I just say that I am so sick of the term "Violence Against Women and Girls". VAWG

It should be: "Violence By Men"

The former sounds like Violence is just something that happens to happen to females. But actually it MEN committing moat of that Violence.

Because when we talk about VAWG, we don't usually mean Violence by women against women.

It's Male Violence as a whole that is the problem. If we simply stopped Violence against women and gorls there would still be vast amounts of violent crime because men are still fucking committing it.

Not all men. Of course. But everyone is affected by male fucking Violence.

ExtraOnions · 09/09/2026 10:08

11AndCounting · 09/09/2026 07:40

Can we start putting on chartered jets for the Calais lot, so I can go a day without hearing about the fucking boats?

So fucking tedious.

I know .. every local story on Facebook;

”new house” first comment “for boat people”
“New Doctors surgery” first comment “for boat people”
“New school” first comment “for boat people”
”Crime” first comment “for boat people”

It’s tedious nonesense.

..and “boat people” is a horrible term to use for Human Beings - dehumanises them.

LuckyHazelFox · 09/09/2026 10:08

bluespotsandztarz · 09/09/2026 10:03

@IsEveryUserNameBloodyTakenI do really hate the fact that as women, we are being told by other women what our own realities are! Just because some people live in a bubble where issues don’t directly affect them doesn’t mean this isn’t happening. It also doesn’t mean everyone from a certain religion or culture acts the same!

Well we were being told we should attend protests with men the other day. If we don't, it's because we fear we are going to be attacked. Then we can't question illegal immigration without being called racist. It's as though as women, we are meant to get in line with other schools of thought.

bluespotsandztarz · 09/09/2026 10:03

@IsEveryUserNameBloodyTakenI do really hate the fact that as women, we are being told by other women what our own realities are! Just because some people live in a bubble where issues don’t directly affect them doesn’t mean this isn’t happening. It also doesn’t mean everyone from a certain religion or culture acts the same!

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bluespotsandztarz · 09/09/2026 09:59

@MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBackMy point isn’t that immigrants as a whole are criminals. It’s that foreign nationals are disproportionately represented in convictions for some sexual offences against women. Ministry of Justice data found foreign nationals accounted for around 15% of sexual offence convictions in 2024, and 28.5% of convictions for sexual assault against a female where nationality was known. So saying 16% of the population are migrants doesn’t really disprove my point. That figure is based on people born outside the UK, whereas the crime figures are based on foreign nationals, so they’re not the same thing.

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IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 09/09/2026 09:54

Ohyoudodoyou · 09/09/2026 07:38

People blindly ignoring the very changes taking place around them. My local area has changed beyond recognition and we are fully aware that the people here now running businesses (Afghan and Albanian here locally) have such a grip on the local community (trafficking, drugs, brothels, money laundering all openly operating in plain view) and the NCA unable to tackle it. It may or may not have happened in your area yet, but don’t worry it will. The rise in crime alongside that on my formerly lovely area (stabbings, assaults, robberies, sexual violence, shoplifting) is happening everywhere. Most of these are not reported. Or in my case, they are reported and the police do follow up (three times…) yes. I do link it with the arrival of undocumented young men, it’s a global business and we are politely fiddling whilst Rome burns!

Interesting that not a single poster has replied to your post.
I’m surprised someone hasn’t come along and called you a liar.
That appears to be the standard reply to shut people up about the realities of what certain areas are already facing.