To think challenge 25 has gone too far?

You need photo id to get it or a referee in an accepted position to vouch for you. What if you don’t have either? It is possible to have neither. And what if you have a condition that means you hate having your photo taken in the first place? It’s still lots of hoops to jump through if you’re over 50 and shouldn’t need to do all this.

Again, it’s Challenge 25, not Challenge 40.

It's hardly the only thing you would need ID for to be a functioning member of society without a driving licence or passport though is it? £15 doesn't seem bad overall, cheaper than either of the above.

Some people deliberately tell persistent chuggers that they are under 18 to get rid of them, even when it's very blatantly a lie. Apparently, the technique works very well in helping you to get on with your day unaccosted.

Paying £15 and doing that extra admin just to insure yourself against some dipstick who thinks that a 50yo might be under 18?!

Honestly, if they're genuinely too simple to be able to tell the difference between a recently-turned adult and somebody 32 years older, they should be banned from selling alcohol; let alone the poor middle-aged saps being prevented from buying it.

Of course! Let me just take my non existing driving licence out with me! Half of London doesn’t drive

I could easily pass for being 18/19 from the age of 15 as can many others - the challenge 25 policy is to ensure the older looking kids arent being served with alcohol etc. The companies do these test purchases to ensure compliance from the staff due to the sheer enormity of the fines should they be caught serving anyone who is under 18.

I’m 36 and still get ID’d for paracetamol sometimes, I always take it as a compliment lol yesterday I was stopped by a charity scout, who had to confirm I was old enough to talk to, I belly laughed.

You can get a Post Office Pass card for £15.

Is that going to work the same way as whenever you need bank statements and utility bills for ID checks, DBS checks etc. - except they have to be ones you've received in the post and not ones that you've downloaded and printed (identical to the ones that you would previously have received in the post), as is standard for so many people nowadays?

So they've manipulated what was a sensible law and deliberately taken it to an extreme in order to abuse it and gain personal information under false pretences? Like the scammers who phone you pretending to be from your bank?

Does anybody actually fall for their officially-sanctioned lies and honestly believe their methods to be genuine and honourable? What a disgrace.

Dunelm is notorious. I had to show ID to buy 4 dinner knives despite having just purchased a Stanley knife and blades at the B&Q next door. I'm 41 btw and no injectables or effort to appear younger 😀

Aw you’ve just shattered my delusion! 😞

The posters above are saying you can add it. To your wallet. That’s what I want to do.

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Take a photo of it.

I worked for a supermarket and we would not accept photos of ID. As I remember refusing a lad because he doctored his photo of ID making him turned 18 a few weeks previously. He changed the month and the area round the month looked dodgy.

From what I can remember it was May/June time and he made his ID look like he turned 18 in April but I'm guessing he turned 18 in Aug.

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You do realise that spot checks are done. If staff fail the spot checks, they can face disciplinary action. Staff are rather be cautious than

It's a good job you don't live or are in Utah, where EVERYONE is told to show ID when they buy alcohol, REGARDLESS of AGE. It used to be in Tennessee when I visited in 2009. This is for anywhere that sells alcohol - liquor stores, bars etc. ChatGPT said this stopped in 2012.

Then Sept 2027, Texas - IDs will have to be physically checked and scanned in all shops, bars etc. Unless the internet/system is down and only ask those who look under 40.

A couple of US states used to have a think 50 state law. So if look under 50, ID. Can you imagine if you are 38 and stopped being asked for ID then?

So she had no legal justification whatsoever for denying you the purchase? I would have complained to the store, as that goes way beyond "Might this person/somebody with them potentially be under 18" when it becomes "No, the people are provably both/all over 18".

That's just bullying and being nasty for the sake of it. Shame you couldn't have said you'd take your shopping to another cashier, because 'you reckoned' that she might not be smart enough to conduct the transaction correctly!

How can you add your driving license to your phone?

Until we discover that they were trying to see if you qualified for an extra 25p a week in your pension

Similarly, I once had a cashier refuse to sell me alcohol, because (she explained) my son was with me, and I might give it to him...he was 22, and had always looked old for his age generally, and had ID with him, but she wouldn't look at it...sometimes i think the perssons having a bad day, and/or enjoys the power they have, rather than it being store policy they are following 🙄

In 63 and had my age challenged at the weekend.

It felt wonderful!

But people don't want to - they like the minimalist approach, which is why they already use their phones for loyalty schemes, making payments, travel tickets etc.

Granted they maybe can add their driving licence digitally to their phone, assuming they actually have one - although many people will not think to do this, or may be concerned about the security aspect of having it on there... as indeed they may be concerned about carrying the physical card of their driving licence with them.

It just seems such overkill to have to always carry a form of your driving licence with you at all times, in case you might want to buy even alcohol-free beer or a set of table cutlery... and this is all notwithstanding the point that, when you are clearly in your 30s or older, and old enough to be a grandparent, common sense should mean that nobody ever remotely suspects you of still being a child in the first place.

Many of us actually do that, but has it occurred to you that not everyone drives, so not everyone has or needs a driving licence.

Same with passports. Not everyone travels abroad or wants to, so not everyone has or needs a passport.

There is no legal obligation to have either document.

Yes, it's mission creep gone crazy. Think 25 was brought in to provide the buffer zone from 18, but then people quite literally do 'think 25' and start worrying that somebody may be under 25 - as though 25 were the age limit for purchasing - so they mentally shift it to 30, and then, well, some people may look 40 but they've actually 'had an uphill paper round' and might only be 30 or even a bit younger...

It goes on, up and up, and then you get the US culture whereby they ID everybody - even if they literally look like they could die of extreme old age at any moment! It becomes a mania, and the group absurdity just builds and builds.

Not everyone drives. And it’s incredibly difficult to get photo ID such as a provisional licence if you don’t already have…valid photo ID!