What has JK Rowling said or done that’s transphobic

So when transwomen talk about getting euphoria boners from dressing up and using women's spaces, have we been judging them too harshly? Perhaps all this time the circulatory system has just been using the wrong body map and the blood is simply taking a wrong turn into the penis??

Recognition is a cognitive process that takes place in the brain; it is not itself an objective measure of truth.

Of course recognition can sometimes be mistaken — as when you think you recognise a friend across the street and turn out to be wrong. But that does not mean the cognitive process of recognition did not occur. It means the recognition was inaccurate with respect to an external fact.

however, In this case, a trans woman is not saying, “I recognise my anatomy to be something other than what it is.” She is acknowledging the reality of her anatomy and saying, “Despite that reality, I recognise myself as female.”

That is a real neurocognitive experience. It is not equivalent to a delusion about external reality, because she is not denying or misperceiving the physical facts of her body.

The person who experiences the limb being there does not believe that feeling of it being there makes them a person with a limb. Correct. The man who ‘experiences’ (in his mind) being a woman believes that makes him a woman. That’s the difference.

I enjoyed your insurance use of ‘not necessarily claiming’ btw. Nice acknowledgement that some transwomen do indeed claim to have female anatomy. (The Willoughby’s Cervix Phenomenon)

It means the recognition was inaccurate with respect to an external fact.

In this case, a trans woman is […] saying, “Despite that reality, I recognise myself as female.”

So the recognition was “inaccurate”. He is not female.

Split hairs all you like about whether “recognition” happened but was inaccurate, or whether recognition did not occur.

It’s irrelevant to the question of whether male people should be admitted into female spaces.

Why are you in favour of male people being admitted into female spaces on the basis of their “incorrect perception” AKA delusion?

Also they don’t want to use the men’s (with other men) because of those men’s ‘genitalia’ I’m assuming. They’re just ridiculous in every way.

I have seen no direct evidence that Willoughby claimed to have a cervix — that is a claim that has been widely circulated on social media.

Obviously, I can’t claim to know or predict every statement every trans person has ever made, but that shouldn’t preclude having a meaningful discussion about what being trans actually is.

Accounts of gender incongruence are remarkably consistent across trans people with a wide range of political beliefs — including people who describe themselves as “sex realists” or “gender critical”.

To experience gender incongruence is not to be deluded about one’s sexual anatomy. It is to recognise that anatomy perfectly well and nevertheless have a persistent, consistent and enduring perception of oneself as being a sex category different from the one ordinarily associated with that anatomy.

Whether and how that experience should be accommodated linguistically, socially and legally are separate questions. But it is circular to insist on your own definition of “woman” and then use that same definition as objective proof that trans women are deluded.

What is your definition of women then please

To experience gender incongruence is not to be deluded about one’s sexual anatomy. It is to recognise that anatomy perfectly well and nevertheless have a persistent, consistent and enduring perception of oneself as being a sex category different from the one ordinarily associated with that anatomy.

In which case it is to be deluded about what the word “sex” means.

Gosh. Suddenly you haven’t seen evidence. It appears someone can be ‘deluded about their anatomy’

Why is India’s statement about ‘what trans actually is’ -being a woman with a cervix - less valid than yours? Are you suggesting India is deluded? Or that they are ‘misrecognising’ their body?

Why does the “persistent, consistent and enduring sense of oneself as belonging to a sex category different from the one ordinarily associated with that anatomy.” mean they are the opposite sex? Where does non-binary fit?

And what does any of it have to do with single-sex spaces, to bring us back to JKR’s primary concern.

i mean we need to know as I think it might really help understanding

ill repeat as I don’t want it lost

@Lacksiecomplains that we are wrong to use one definition of the word women to prove that men are not women

could they please therefore define woman

What about the sexual offences?

What part of the female feeing brain feels the urge to sexually assault at a higher rate than even the Male population?

I'm going to keep asking 🙃

My question has been roundly ignored
Sad times.

Do you have direct evidence India made that statement ( if you are going to reply on it so heavily to base all your conclusion about trans women)? If so, please share it. Video, blog, etc, of her saying that?

@Lacksie
it is great that your arguments on here have gradually moved to it being a cognitive incongruence…

that is far more accurate a description of gender dysphoria - a mental disconnect with the sex the person is…

it admits that they are not the sex they claim
it admits that it is a mental state where they believe something despite it being evidentially clear that they are the opposite

as has been said throughout this thread - this is delusional because someone is looking at their physical genitalia which tells them what sex they are yet somehow believing the opposite…

the fact that you now acknowledge that it is an issue in the mental health space is great - this is where society needs to be - helping to look after and treat people at a mental health level exactly the same way in which we would if they looked at themselves and said I see no tail / fur / whiskers but I am definitely sure that I am a cat…

the great thing about acknowledging this is that it leads very clearly to the acceptance that a man can never be or become a woman (those words being based on the sex you were born as is their definition / our society’s custom / the legal decision confirmed at the Supreme Court). It is a mental disconnect - nothing has physically changed to make them the opposite sex

from that flows all the rest - no men in women’s spaces etc

great that you have now come to agree with all of that.

You mean besides India tweeting the offer to show the cervix they claim to have?

Feel free to address the rest though.

*Why does the “persistent, consistent and enduring sense of oneself as belonging to a sex category different from the one ordinarily associated with that anatomy.” mean they are the opposite sex? Where does non-binary fit?

And what does any of it have to do with single-sex spaces, to bring us back to JKR’s primary concern.*

Can you provide a link to the tweet?

Are you going to answer the question about sexual offences?

Yes! Yes! By Georgina, 27 pages in and I think you finally get it!

Yes! It doesn't matter to anyone other than the trans person and those who love them how genuinely the trans person "recognises" their "sex" in their own self perception.

Yes! The only way that a trans woman can ever be considered a woman, or a trans man a man, in the reality they share outside their head, a woman/a man in society and in law is to change the meaning of the words themselves! To change our shared understanding of "man" and "woman" from the two physical sexes to something else.

And that has consequences and impacts far beyond the mental easing of trans distress. Consequences and impacts for every single human being on the planet.

Deciding to ignore the fact of the body and the physical and social consequences it brings, to make it so unworthy of consideration it doesn't even get a name, let alone rights and protections, in favour of some as-yet-to-be-defined commonality of mind, behaviour or self-image that we don't even know to be universally felt or particularly aligned to one sex or the other is a huge huge thing to do, and even from here we can immediately see the detrimental impact it will have on the female half of humanity especially. Should humanity ever decide that is somehow the right thing to do, that's got to have come from everyone not just the handful who stand to benefit from it.

So please. Let's stop this stupid charade of TWAW, TMAM and refocus the TRAs efforts into supporting those who live with gender dysphoria to live well in the reality they share with others, where others needs, rights and self knowledge also matter.

Yes its a mental.health issue. This can be seen in the number of girls with autism and anxiety scared to grow into adult females so take various options to try to stop that. Really sad that vulnerable young girls think becoming an adult female is scary (the world is a more dangerous place to females). We need to help vulnerable young females feel safer.

@FlirtsWithRhinos The only way that a trans woman can ever be considered a woman, or a trans man a man, in the reality they share outside their head, a woman/a man in society and in law is to change the meaning of the words themselves! To change our shared understanding of "man" and "woman" from the two physical sexes to something else.

Yes! I have seen so many clips (mostly from the US) of people interviewing others (activists, students, trans people themselves) and asking questions such as "Can men get pregnant?" "Can men menstruate?" The answer is always "Yes, of course," and as the debate (if you can call it a debate) progresses, the woke person ends up just walking away in the middle, because they simply have no arguments. The only way they can win is if we all agree to redefine "man" and "woman", and we don't and never will.

@Lacksie were you asking for the tweet from India shown up thread? Offering to show her cervix. A biological male (as India is) doesn't have a real cervix. You need to click on it to see the tweet. It wouldn't reproduce here in quoting..

Are you struggling to respond to the other questions?

@Lacksie has decided that, as they can’t actually answer any pertinent questions, they are going to hyperfocus on having a link to the tweet. Screenshot isn’t enough. Maybe they like giving Elon the clicks.

This tweet @Lacksie

India of course doesn't have a cervix being born male

Edit ..... tried twice to paste the tweet from India offering to show 'cervix' it wont paste here. Anyway biological males don't have a cervix

Strange. Just because a biological male insists they have a cervix, it doesn't make it so. A biological male can have much surgery if they want (most don't though) but still doesn't make them female.