To be annoyed nobody mentioned who started the war

Read your History! Arabs, Jews and Christians lived peacefully under the Ottoman Empire.
Zionism rose in the West but was not favoured by the Jewish National Council.
Palestinians welcomed Jews from Eastern Europe after WWII.
Read about ALL the massacres committed by the "settlers" against the Palestinians after the creation of "Israel"! eg the Naqba!
Gaza was and is the largest concentration camp since WII.
Israel has attacked and is attacking hospitals, schools, universities, mosques and CHURCHES!
I used to believe in "Israel" until I went to Jordan and learned the true history.

For one minute I had to check I wasn't on the CITME board.

Read your History! Arabs, Jews and Christians lived peacefully under the Ottoman Empire.
Zionism rose in the West but was not favoured by the Jewish National Council.
Palestinians welcomed Jews from Eastern Europe after WWII.
Read about ALL the massacres committed by the "settlers" against the Palestinians after the creation of "Israel"! eg the Naqba!
Gaza was and is the largest concentration camp since WII.
Israel has attacked and is attacking hospitals, schools, universities, mosques and CHURCHES!
I used to believe in "Israel" until I went to Jordan and learned the true history.

And Egypt, Syria, Tunisia, Lybia, Iraq, Jordan, Bosnia and Kosovo...

This list gkes on and on and on

Yet people support mass immigration of Muslims into every European country.

What could possibly happen when the Muslims become the majority here? Hmm?

And its only getting worse as younger generations of Brits cannot access social housing, cannot afford private rent, cannot afford utilities, cannot get GPs or dentist and so are choosing not to have children. Whilst the immigrant communities are happy to live in multigenerational homes and quite frankly most women don't have a choice in having child after child.

Oh I know. I am definitely not glorifying the behaviour of the crazy extremism. I only care about the innocent people. The Christian people in Nigeria and the Congo being slaughtered is barbarous by Muslim extremists. Sudan had a river of bodies.
I would be terrified to live anywhere near the conflict’s, wars.

Lebanon - a Christian state that welcomed Palestinian refugees when Muslim countries refused. Only to have them turn on them and massacre them.

I agree, creating Israel without creating Palestine too was always going to create war.

Oh excellent, thats on my bingo card, let me tick it off

Erm, The British caused all this - tick.

And that is why the flags for Palestine are flown all over Ireland.

Palestinian flags are flown because a lot of shallow thinking people have this vague romantic ideas Gaza with no knowledge of the horrors for the people living there under Hamas rule. And because the ‘Free Palestine’ movement in the west is funded, supported and encouraged by Iran to destabilise the west.

You just need to look at groups like ‘Queers for Palestine’ to see how detached from the reality of Gaza they are.

Lebanon - a Christian state that welcomed Palestinian refugees when Muslim countries refused. Only to have them turn on them and massacre them.

You need to go back further than that to properly understand. This is a region with a looooong history.

Also, probably look at the role the British played in fucking things up then walking away, whistling innocently. As always.

Or rather, their demand (singular) met: the non-existance of the Jewish state and for a Jihadi state to be built upon its ruins. For many, it's hard to take the Palestinians seriously when they don't take themselves seriously.
Israel will be expanding across Gaza if allowed and parts of Lebanon built upon the ruins.
I feel for the people in Israel, Lebanon and Palestine who just want to live their life, without the constant terror.
Christian places of worship are being destroyed in Israel too. The Christian people who have ties to the land for centuries are being beaten and intimidated.
Settlers are expanding, they’re not very kind or compassionate nor are their dogs.
It is all horrible.
People have different interpretations of when and how it started, we know that the current conflict started in October the 7th.

Did a memo go out about using this stupid phrase in relation to the conflict in Gaza or what? Why does everyone say this and not what they mean?

I didn’t even realise “I think we all know why” was a phrase, let alone some phrase that everyone is apparently using in relation to Gaza. News to me.

If you want to call people antisemites just do it, have the courage of your convictions and say what you mean instead of this pathetic nonsense.

If I wanted to call someone an antisemite, I’d call them an antisemite. I just don’t accept the premise that “I think we all know why” is some universally understood code phrase for it. The whole point about antisemitism mutating to fit its era is that it doesn’t always announce itself explicitly.

I think we all know why.

Did a memo go out about using this stupid phrase in relation to the conflict in Gaza or what? Why does everyone say this and not what they mean? If you want to call people antisemites just do it, have the courage of your convictions and say what you mean instead of this pathetic nonsense.

I think that tends to be how people groups operate - being long established on the land to the point that they share much more than the land. A lot of the time we don't really know where they were before. The name we give to them doesn't matter very much. It really only matters that they are a community now, with rights, vulnerabilities, needs and aspirations. We ignore that at the risk of our own humanity.

I am not sure it is conveniently forgotten but not relevant to the topic of the debate and OP.

Conveniently forgot that Jews were driven out from Syria, Iran etc.

These sorts of parallels never work perfectly. But we can try the thought experiment.

I think Ireland pre-independence is probably the closest we can get.

The land was ruled by another power (Britain). Most Irish had left, either because of poor conditions or oppression, and now constituted a big diaspora population. So far, the parallel holds.

Imagine, in, say 1900, a horrific pogrom by Protestant extremists in North America of Irish-descent Catholics, which had killed over half of the world’s population of Irish people, many many millions over a few years. Let’s say the same had happened to a lesser degree across Europe too, and that many European rulers agreed with the pogromists.

There might have been a movement that said: we Irish aren’t safe except in our own homeland. That homeland should be Ireland, which should be freed of British control and become independent. We Irish will go there to escape persecution and build a country.

If Britain, with UN endorsement, had left the land and created an Irish state, partitioning the land, for two communities.

Should that Irish state have been tolerated?

If the northern Irish Protestants had joined with surrounding European states to invade and destroy the new Republic of Ireland, would that have been justified?

If that attack had failed and Ireland continued to exist, as an Irish state, what should we feel about it and them now?

Today's Palestinians are a loose conglomartion of Levantine peoples whose ancestry includes long-established inhabitants of the region as well as people who migrated into it from other parts of the Arab world — such as Egypt, the Arabian Peninsula, Syria and Iraq — and whose modern Arab identity developed through centuries of Arabization.

But the concept of a distinct Palestinian national identity is a modern political invention, cooked up by the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO) and the Soviet Union.

More Israeli Jews were killed in the 1948 war than Arabs. The Arabs being the aggressors, FYI.

They could have just, I don't know, accepted half of the loaf as it was offered to them. The Jews were extremely happy to receive half and create a state in their ancestral homeland. But no, the Arabs had to launch a war of annihilation because they wanted the whole lot. You reap what you sow.

Nakba means catastrophe. But the man who coined the phrase - Constantin Zureiq - didn't mean that innocent people had been displaced from their homes. He meant that the Arabs had lost the war they started.

What was happening at the same time? The partition of India and Pakistan.What's your take on this event? Death toll of that was approximately 1 million, and roughly 14 to 15 million people were displaced during the chaotic split. Compared to 700,000 (UN's figures) Arabs?

Why does this conflict receive so much attention despite not even coming close to being among the ten deadliest conflicts of the past 50 years?

I think we all know why.

And just for historical context, Jews are the only nation in history ever to have established a nation state in the land, and the only nation never to have lacked a presence there. Jews pray towards Jerusalem, and have done so for about 2,500 years. That's why.

The Palestinians that are there are the Caanites that became Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Atheist.

The same way the Christian white English people in the UK are not Middle Eastern just because they follow a Middle Eastern religion. They are the native white people who changed their religion.