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AIBU to want payment for fitted items left in my rental?

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Maurit · Yesterday 17:54

I just left a rental and left behind three items I had fitted: an extra loo, fitted wardrobes and 4 curtain rails. I asked the landlord to message the new tenants that I was happy to leave these provided they pay a small fee for each - much less than they cost to me. They don’t want to do that and the landlord is suggesting I just leave the items as less hassle than taking them out. AIBU in thinking that the new tenants are just joy riding on this, knowing that they’ll get access to the items for no fee? .

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nozbottheblue · Today 00:30

You have no relationship at all with the new tenants; your only agreement is with the landlord who expects you to leave the place as you found it (unless you made other arrangements with the landlord).
I think you’re wasting your time trying to get any payment from The Landlord and you’re definitely not going to get anything from the new tenant.

Friendlygingercat · Today 00:15

There was a thread recently about a LL who found that his tenants had replaced the gas boiler with a heat pump. I don't know how the thread ended but the tenants could hardly take it with them when they moved. If you attach or fit something and then move away it becomes part of the fittings. Its up to you to plan for its removal or replacement before you move out and to make good any repairs. I once left a HA flat fully carpeted because I had no option. I could hardly expect the new tenant to pay so they got a great freebee.

PussyGaylore · Today 00:10

You don’t have a lot of options. If you take the toilet you will need to replace it as presumably there was one there prior to the one you put in? You would also need to replace ant poles or storage you removed to make way for the new. The lesson is don’t spend on somewhere that’s not yours. You can’t force the new tenants to pay.

BrezhnevsLuxuriantEyebrows · Today 00:02

SchrodingersGuinepig · Yesterday 21:49

What makes you think they want the items?

I'm intrigued by why the loo is "extra" - you don't mention plumbing or an extra sink... did you fully add a guest WC where there was previously an under stairs cupboard or utility? Or did you literally put in a second toilet in some unconventional configuration in the living room or two toilets facing one another in the family bathroom ?

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FiveShelties · Yesterday 23:53

Of course you are not being unreasonable. I am sure most tenants fit additional toilets and then take them with them once they move.

Just standard stuff🙄

Friendlygingercat · Yesterday 23:49

When I moved into my first private rental there was a nice big mirrored bathroom cabinet which I assumed to be part of the "fixtures and fittings" when I moved in. The LL's agent subsequently contacted me to ask if they could come and collect it as it was left by the previous tenant. I refused as it was attached to the wall and would cause me inconvenience if it was removed. The agent then said well we will send the handyman to collect it and replace it with another. She sent me a picture of one they intended to put in its place but it was smaller and cheap looking. She tried saying that in my lease it stated I must allow access to the agent and their workpeople for inspections and essential repairs. I said I am not taking time off work as this is not an essential repair or an inspection. There is also nothing mentioned in the lease about my having to provide these services for free. This is an extra service and you will need to pay me an admin charge of ££ to cover my time and trouble. I never did hear anything back.

Ethelspagetti · Yesterday 23:44

Upsetbetty · Yesterday 17:56

rule number 1 - don’t add permanent or fitted fixtures/items to a house that is not yours. Sorry.

Agreed! You cannot add to a rental then ask the new tenants to reimburse you! You are allowed to remove them and make it look as good as before, e.g re plastering and painting a room you’ve ripped out a toilet from. But it’s too late to do that now as you’ve moved out. You cannot reenter the property now. One sister lived in a rental, added a very tall and good quality fence then realised it only benefited the next tenants! You should not add anything expensive to a rental because it’s not yours!

YourWildAmberSloth · Yesterday 23:17

Yes YABU and pretty ridiculous on top. Remove the items and make good any damages. If you can't or don't want to, tenants shouldn't have to pay for them. This is something that you and the LL need to work out between you, without dumping the problem on the new tenants.

Xkk · Yesterday 23:09

I think you made a mistake and now trying your luck. It doesn't work like that. No one is responsable for changes you chose to make unless agreed in advance. If you remove the items you need to bring the property to the state you found it. Is not worth it take the hit and leave it. Never invest in someone else's property unless you have a financial interest in it. Lessons learnt.

SpaceShark · Yesterday 22:56

Dont think I've ever come across an AIBU more U than this.

Isittimeformynapyet · Yesterday 22:52

Annoyedbyhusband · Yesterday 20:04

I rent but ai am also a landlord. The negotiation for payment should have been with the landlord. If he didn’t want them then you should have removed them. It’s absolutely nothing to do with the new tenant. I am surprised the landlord didn’t tell you to remove them, although he has now asked that you do.

I am surprised the landlord didn’t tell you to remove them, although he has now asked that you do.

Eh? ......

They don’t want to do that and the landlord is suggesting I just leave the items as less hassle than taking them out.

Wadsworthy · Yesterday 22:49

Are you renting in Germany or France? Where it is usual to fit your own kitchen?

Otherwise, why on earth did you added fitted furniture to a property that is not yours?

Thameslock · Yesterday 22:35

We had a long term tenant who wanted to fit a new kitchen. She was told she was welcome to do that but would have to leave it if she ever left the property( she had been there 20 years). 2 years down the line she met the love of her life and gave notice. Cheeky bugger then wanted us to pay for the kitchen less 2 years wear and tear!!. Referred her to the letter we sent here confirming it wad to be left and asking for her agreement in writing..End of story, you cannot make improvements to a rental for your own benefit then expect recompense when you leave.

OnTheBoardwalk · Yesterday 22:16

@Maurit please answer the questions, especially about the toilet installation

how on earth did you think you were authorised to fit a loo, unless it’s a temporary fitted one?

are you Liz Jones? Didn’t she install a brand new kitchen in her rental without the landlords permission then expected them to give her all her cash back

Dollymylove · Yesterday 22:11

Why on earth did you spend money fitting things in a house that isnt yours?
If I was asked to pay for fittings in rented home I would be laughing my head off at the ridiculousness !!

stichguru · Yesterday 22:05

This has got to be a joke.

comeoncolleen · Yesterday 22:05

Too late, OP. If you install items in a rental you should really ask LL's permission first, but even if you haven't, you can take the items with you provided you make good the damage. What you can't do is turn up in a rental you've left and start removing a toilet, let alone try to charge the new tenants! Move on.

Sunbringer · Yesterday 22:02

Legally the landlord can charge you for leaving them…

caringcarer · Yesterday 21:52

If you wanted an additional toilet you should have asked the LL to fit one.

Branleuse · Yesterday 21:49

You installed all that into a rental? Why?

I don't think you are entitled to any payment.

SchrodingersGuinepig · Yesterday 21:49

What makes you think they want the items?

I'm intrigued by why the loo is "extra" - you don't mention plumbing or an extra sink... did you fully add a guest WC where there was previously an under stairs cupboard or utility? Or did you literally put in a second toilet in some unconventional configuration in the living room or two toilets facing one another in the family bathroom ?

TheFormerMrsTruelove · Yesterday 21:45

You’ve been really silly.

You’re being really silly.

BruFord · Yesterday 21:45

caringcarer · Yesterday 18:15

I'm a LL and you'd have got to have written permission to install an additional toilet and I put in all my contracts house must be restored to original state when tenant leaves. If you want the curtain rails go and fetch them.

I was thinking the same thing @caringcarer, the OP could be on shaky ground.

WonderfulSmith · Yesterday 21:32

Notmybestusername · Yesterday 18:22

Is this one where the Op never returns?

Almost certainly. And then she’ll want to charge us for it.

Tryagain26 · Yesterday 21:25

You shouldn't have made any permanent changes to a rented property.
You can't expect a new tenant to pay for improvements you made to the property they are renting.
The landlord has no obligation to pay either, unless you had your permission to make the changes they could even ask you to take out the changes you have made and make the property as was as it was originally at your expense

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