Masked men at Dover - KKK vibes

Looking after our own people can mean several things. In the end, putting up barriers between countries (physical or economic) leads to conflict. Removing them reduces it. Our current system is imperfect, has its problems and needs attention. But the solutions proposed by those advocating the positions you suggest (and worse) will not make us safer or more prosperous in the long run.

Surely we need to look after our own people rather than worrying about what the world thinks about us enforcing our own borders

Who do you mean when you say "look after our own people" though?
Because half the time racist thugs discriminate and/or attack if people are black, born here in the UK and their families been here for decades.
They see them to be "sent back" (to where?! If they and their parents too were born here?!)
Own people - loaded wording.

Its a choice to be made. What soft power do we really have anyway? What countries pay attention to the UK any more? Even Mauritius seems to have us under their thumb. Surely we need to look after our own people rather than worrying about what the world thinks about us enforcing our own borders. We give too much of a shit. This isn't the 1990s. The world has changed and illegal immigration is a problem for most of Europe. Most people are worrying about their own backyard. (Unless you are someone who votes for your MP based on their views on Gaza obviously)

Well the steps you've set out aren't military ones. There is still the question of what the military would actually do to stop the boats.

But yes. What you say is right. We could do all of the things you suggest. It would wreck decades of alliances, rib us if soft power across the world and mark us as devoid of compassion. But we could do that all, yes.

Its a choice to be made. What soft power do we really have anyway? What countries pay attention to the UK any more? Even Mauritius seems to have us under their thumb. Surely we need to look after our own people rather than worrying about what the world thinks about us enforcing our own borders. We give too much of a shit. This isn't the 1990s. The world has changed and illegal immigration is a problem for most of Europe. Most people are worrying about their own backyard. (Unless you are someone who votes for your MP based on their views on Gaza obviously)

Well on a basic factual basis using the military could clearly stop the boats. You just may not like how it is done.

The answer is firstly to leave the ECHR and then off shore the processing like many EU countries are considering doing too. Remember...International law is an illusion ultimately. It only works if countries all agree to follow the requirements and if there's a sanction of some sort to back up judgements. Or a carrot. Withdraw aid to countries who refuse to take back their nationals. There's plenty of ways to stop the boats. Other countries have done it. Labour just aren't the party to do it unfortunately due to their PLP. So we wait for the next government.

Seems you can be kept in custody after being charged but without going to court for up to 182 days but they can apply for an extension. Is that what happened?

Well the steps you've set out aren't military ones. There is still the question of what the military would actually do to stop the boats.

But yes. What you say is right. We could do all of the things you suggest. It would wreck decades of alliances, rib us if soft power across the world and mark us as devoid of compassion. But we could do that all, yes.

🤷🏼‍♀️ I have no reason to lie.

Well on a basic factual basis using the military could clearly stop the boats. You just may not like how it is done.

The answer is firstly to leave the ECHR and then off shore the processing like many EU countries are considering doing too. Remember...International law is an illusion ultimately. It only works if countries all agree to follow the requirements and if there's a sanction of some sort to back up judgements. Or a carrot. Withdraw aid to countries who refuse to take back their nationals. There's plenty of ways to stop the boats. Other countries have done it. Labour just aren't the party to do it unfortunately due to their PLP. So we wait for the next government.

Well on a basic factual basis using the military could clearly stop the boats. You just may not like how it is done.

The answer is firstly to leave the ECHR and then off shore the processing like many EU countries are considering doing too. Remember...International law is an illusion ultimately. It only works if countries all agree to follow the requirements and if there's a sanction of some sort to back up judgements. Or a carrot. Withdraw aid to countries who refuse to take back their nationals. There's plenty of ways to stop the boats. Other countries have done it. Labour just aren't the party to do it unfortunately due to their PLP. So we wait for the next government.

If people think that a) stopping the boats is possible by 'using the military' in some undefined way and that b) stopping the boats will make any difference at all to anyone's every day life, I despair.

I always wonder if people who wear balaclavas get a lot of spots, as I doubt they wash them between each wear. I see Nottingham is going to be banning them in certain areas.

If you’re so unhappy about this country, then others are available? No-one is forcing you to stay somewhere you clearly despise.

You have better faith that we have a functioning government than many people. Let's wait and see what happens and fingers crossed Andy Burnham will stop the boats really quickly. And if he doesnt and he still doesn't use the military we can probably assume he won't stop the boats at all and we will need a new PM. Again.

Yes, their attire is definitely more George than Stone Island. Does ASDA do balaclavas?

Yes, their attire is definitely more George than Stone Island. Does ASDA do balaclavas?

The report you shared is victim demographics of sexual crimes in general including where the perpetrator is a partner / ex. The previous poster was talking about victim demographics of sexual crimes by asylum seekers

You have better faith that we have a functioning government than many people. Let's wait and see what happens and fingers crossed Andy Burnham will stop the boats really quickly. And if he doesnt and he still doesn't use the military we can probably assume he won't stop the boats at all and we will need a new PM. Again.

They probably couldn’t afford matching stone island

Just because many people think that the small boats issue is a national security threat warranting a change in military strategy, that doesn't make it so. The government probably thinks that the military is better utilised defending the country doing what it's already doing.

I'm pretty sure that the government does have the intention to do something about it. Apart from anything else it would be extremely good for them politically. And they have reduced small boat crossings by 40% this year to prove it. But it is extremely hard to eradicate this issue. So far the best ideas we have jointly come up with over and above doing what the government is already doing are a) do something undefined with the military and b) build a giant net.

83% of the population is white. The Prime Minister, the Chancellor of the Exchequer and the literal King are all white. Pretty odd pile.

Exactly
How exactly are they being "pushed to the bottom of the pile?" Just because you see people in power who aren't white too. Doesn't mean they're "getting pushed out." 🙄

Here’s the best evidence that’s ’out there’ . ONS data on characteristics of victims.

Black and Mixed-ethnicity adults had significantly higher overall sexual-assault victimisation than White, Asian or Other adults. Narrowing the focus on rape specifically, there is no statistically significant difference between ethnicities.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/sexualoffencesvictimcharacteristicsenglandandwales/march2020/pdf