Masked men at Dover - KKK vibes

i think Putin is waiting until Europe is in the grip of a civil war over this issue and then he will act. We are playing straight into his hands.

Everyone who doesn't agree with your party line is a racist and/or fascist. It's boring now.

YABU

Its obviously unreasonably to smear a group of people whom you dont know, the comparison with the KKK is particularly obscene. Where do you get off with that?

What connection a protest over ongoing state failures has with a racist supremacist group, I don't know?

I do not particularly like masks myself, its not very british, but masked faces are something introduced to Britain by far left thugs and misogynist alien cultures. In the climate of 2 tier policing, who can blame others for adopting it?

If the state wont police the borders properly, then let the people do it.

The situation of toleration of 10s of 1000s of unvetted, anonymous migrant men coming here every year is a political choice. But its not something people ever voted for, so this outcome is wholly predictable.

YABU

Its obviously unreasonably to smear a group of people whom you dont know, the comparison with the KKK is particularly obscene. Where do you get off with that?

What connection a protest over ongoing state failures has with a racist supremacist group, I don't know?

I do not particularly like masks myself, its not very british, but masked faces are something introduced to Britain by far left thugs and misogynist alien cultures. In the climate of 2 tier policing, who can blame others for adopting it?

If the state wont police the borders properly, then let the people do it.

The situation of toleration of 10s of 1000s of unvetted, anonymous migrant men coming here every year is a political choice. But its not something people ever voted for, so this outcome is wholly predictable.

They are utter cowards and hypocritical. The same ilk will state they're against the burkha and protests by environmental groups etc. but are happy to mask their faces in 'protest' the reality is they're just nasty specimens of humanity, full of people with self righteous white supremacy tendencies. AIBU.

Everyone who doesn't agree with your party line is a racist and/or fascist. It's boring now.

The man is an out and out racist. His tweet the other day about the Labour candidate being born abroad was clear as day racism. And I'm like 'Mate! Not only is it racist, but all the racists it appeals to also hate you!'

Yusuf is not a fascist he's a realist. He can also out debate many who have tried to take him on.

There are many things I don't get about the AfD, but perhaps the biggest is that their leader is a gay woman. Honestly if they get into power how long would it be before she was out the door. Like Zia Yusuf here, I honestly don't get how people from persecuted minorities think that they'll be safe from the Fascists by being senior in their parties.

Our human rights do not come from the ECHR ultimately. They come from laws made by the UK parliament. As mentioned, international law is an illusion.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4zejgz3z9o

If the hard right party wins control of Germany it will be the first time since WW2. We can all see the direction of travel.

Of course. We don't disagree on that last point. Where we disagree is how to get there. I don't think that military action in the Channel and leaving the ECHR is the way forward. I think better ways include working closer with European partners within the current framework, and investing in poorer countries to mean that conflict reduces and living standards increase there.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4zejgz3z9o

If the hard right party wins control of Germany it will be the first time since WW2. We can all see the direction of travel.

'Own people' is not a phrase i would use ever, so yes it is a little more complicated than your limited view of the world

Of course. We don't disagree on that last point. Where we disagree is how to get there. I don't think that military action in the Channel and leaving the ECHR is the way forward. I think better ways include working closer with European partners within the current framework, and investing in poorer countries to mean that conflict reduces and living standards increase there.

Own people only loaded in your own mind. In my mind (the person who actually wrote it) it means people who live in the UK legally. Not illegal immigrants who are the topic under discussion. Its not complicated.

Yes, I don't disagree on the last part either. Better ways in my opinion are the ones that you mention, and not risking our human rights by leaving the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR)

How do people know who is in the country illegally or not just by looking at them though?
You personally might just be referring to "people who live here illegally" but many, many don't. They look at skin and make assumptions.
Reducing it to "we're only talking about illegal immigrants" is massively simplifying things. As it's not at all.

Of course. We don't disagree on that last point. Where we disagree is how to get there. I don't think that military action in the Channel and leaving the ECHR is the way forward. I think better ways include working closer with European partners within the current framework, and investing in poorer countries to mean that conflict reduces and living standards increase there.

Looking after our own people can mean several things. In the end, putting up barriers between countries (physical or economic) leads to conflict. Removing them reduces it. Our current system is imperfect, has its problems and needs attention. But the solutions proposed by those advocating the positions you suggest (and worse) will not make us safer or more prosperous in the long run.

We live in the real world though. Not utopia. And barriers are going up everywhere. Removing barriers to vast numbers of people who come into the UK and will be a drain on the state will lead to our bankruptcy. The golden goose will have been killed. I'd prefer that not to happen. I'd rather like people to be able to receive a pension and medical care and disability benefits if needed for example. So we need to be able to chose who comes in...like any normal country.

Own people only loaded in your own mind. In my mind (the person who actually wrote it) it means people who live in the UK legally. Not illegal immigrants who are the topic under discussion. Its not complicated.