Masked men at Dover - KKK vibes

You do not know that they approve of misogynistic cultures.They may well be leaving precisely because they don't. It is likely that they are being sent on ahead to find a safe route for their families, women and children. It is very dangerous and physically impossible for young children, the old, women etc to cross borders of countries with no functioning government or where their families may already have been targeted by the rebels in a civil war.

In failed States where there is no functioning government people often have no birth certificates or passports. Rival criminal gangs are rife.

We have brought this problem on ourselves by people having no route to apply for asylum until they are physically here. They may well be coming from eg Afghanistan, a country where those who supported us are now in danger of being killed. (They may speak English which would make life easier for them than eg France or Germany. They may already have relations here. )

The next safe country to Afghanistan is Pakistan who have returned a million to Afghanistan where they are now in grave danger, no homes, no means of earning a living. Many will starve.

It is very difficult to imagine the horrors these people have endured. We had the same problems in WW2 where the Government wouldn't allow the opponents of Hitler to enter despite knowing that refusal meant certain death in concentration camps.

Many countries allow asylum seekers to work either immediately or very quickly.eg
Australia, Canada, Sweden, Portugal - almost immediately
Germany after 3 months
Belgium after 4 months
USA, Netherlands after 6 months.
It make no sense to keep them in poverty for years on end when they could /should be contributing to our country and both they and us would benefit.
NB We have a very low birth rate ( which will break this country in the future if we don't do something about it. Annual deaths are projected to outnumber births for the first time in modern history a 'baby bust'.( See the Government list of jobs where there is a shortage btw.)

Asylum seekers allowances.
( £49.18 a week for food, clothing, toiletries. Self catered accommodation £49.18 per person per week, Catered accommodation eg hotels (£9.50 per week. Pregnant women + £5.25 per week, Babies under 1 year old extra £9.50 per week, Children 1-3 extra £5.25 per week.)

Cost Repayment Law
Adults who are granted refugee status and find employment are required to repay upto £10,000 to the Home Office. ( Works similar to student loans. and must be paid off before the person can claim settled status.)

Exactly being weak on it protects no one and helps no one and creates fear.

Given that the government cannot hold you in prison beyond a short period without charging you, and after you've been charged its up to a judge to grant bail, or not. Given he's apparently been held for more than a year what has he been charged with? It must be pretty serious.

I don't support them, but can see why they are doing it. Not keen on the 'black uniform' but I wonder how it was orchestrated.
Unfortunately years of government doing precisely what they want regardless of the infrastructure not being in place, people, particularly the lower socioeconomic sector feeling disenfranchised is going to create this.
We have a prison crisis, we have enough home grown criminals without importing the 3rd world's ones as well. We have a housing crisis, 1000s of people on waiting lists in every major town, yet accommodation is provided and once processed they join those lists.
We have a health crisis, NHS at breaking point.

We gave a education crisis, Schools are at breaking point, teachers leaving, SEN massively underfunded, kids in disruptive classes.
Yes, we know many sectors would collapse without immigrants but those same immigrants also are needing housing, healthcare, education, its a ponzi scheme.

The country is allegedly unable to afford to fund the infrastructure so common sense says restrict the need for additional infrastructure!
Unless the government get a grip and quickly, social media will provoke people who normally wouldn't pay attention to this type of protest to start to think they need to 'do something' . Conspiracy theories also get traction.

Because of the failure of government to protect us/our borders, I genuinely fear for my friends/colleagues from India, Pakistan and Africa who came here legitimately. I worry they are to become collateral damage with the rise of right.
People have become v worried about undocumented males roaming our streets.

@Smokeywater it was far far more than 300000 ! And no one counted anyone in !
We only knew when services began crumbling under the weight ,maternity wards closed and so on .

Blair is a terrible terrible man

Genuinely can't believe that so many are responding to 'Aren't the Dover protesters terrible?' with 'What about masked left wing protesters?'

Both are terrible!!! Condemn both!! Jesus Christ...

Ha well put.

I do indeed see. I have my bingo card and it's almost full 😁

😂😂😂

Always the way and personal attacks on other posters. They then complain that threads and posts are deleted. You will see the pattern.

Cringeworthy.

Funny how the leftists always have to turn to nasty insults regarding the working class.

Presumably the pro Gaza bloke from Kneecap didn’t get the memo?

They got arrested for a reason.

And also blocking access to critical infrastructure is way beyond the scope of peaceful protesting.

Tbf writing "not very bright and slightly stupid" doesn't cast you in the best light intellectually yourself.

I said that I would ban the wearing of balaclavas and masks in public, other than face masks for medical reasons.

I didn't specify banning the wearing of those items only at demos so it would obviously include teenage thugs as well as the cowardly extremists from both the Far Left and the Far Right.

my word, you are an aggressive bombastic poster, here among us on a Sunday

Er, looks like a mask to me…

It’s an issue across most of Europe. Whether or not we had remained in the EU would have made little difference.

The majority of young men arriving here without papers are not refugees. They are not needed here, they are a drain on shrinking resources. I have young granddaughters, I don't want them exposed to men for whom a leaflet about unwanted sexual advances was deemed to be necessary.

I would have been absolutely terrified seeing that lot and not knowing what or who.

Apparently they didn't have any banners or let people know what they were doing ??

Poor people about to go on holiday as well getting that fright and all the other issues with ruining people's holidays and journeys.

I don't know whether it's correct but I did read that they were masked up to avoid surveilance but to also illustrate like with the men coming on boats, we don't know who they are ? Could be wrong.

I without a doubt think we need urgent action on the boats but this for me was a step too far.

Let's hope Burnham gets a grip where others have failed.

No. I’m old enough to remember the civil rights movement in the USA. Thst was serious stuff.

This was just the usual ‘rent a mob’ that attend most protests - whether it’s oil, immigrants, any politics or whatever.

Not very bright, and slightly stupid.

Its a scarf not a mask and the demonstrations I've been on no one covered their face with a Keffiyah, they wore them as scarves . But dont let the truth get in the way of your lies. And those old people sitting on the pavement with cardboard placards getting arrested, they had no balaclava or any masks, because they aren't cowards - like the thugs you admire.

Agree with all of this.