Aibu feeling uneasy about men taking little girls to the toilet in the womens toilet?

So if your 17 hasn't any SEN and all is fine why would you feel the need for him to be in the women's toilets. And why would you be accompanying him?

Womens loos are cubicles, are men’s loos also cubicles or are there urinals as well? As a mother of a little girl I’d rather see men with their young daughters in the female toilets if the other option is taking little girls into the men’s where urinals are in operation. Without a doubt.

Wouldn't it be great though, that you could bring about a change in the law just by expressing an opinion on Mumsnet. 🤣

so you advocate for mixed sex bathrooms In General then? As that is what you are suggesting. A 17 year old is basically an adult male and you think it’s ok for them to be in the women’s bathrooms as long as a parent thinks it is reasonable? No Sen involved at all but totally fine? This whole thread is bizarre.

Exactly!

Yeah go for it. If that's truly what you think is best for your son, rather than just trying to prove a point I wouldn't have a problem with that at all. I know plenty of women with SEN sons that are faced with that same dilemma.

Wouldn't care at all, providing he's not pretending to be female or clearly getting any sort of sexual pleasure out of being there.

I didn't bloddy consent for others, where you get this from? What do you think that my opinion on Mumsnet is going to become law? I said it wouldn't bother me. So what is she encounters a man? There are male cleaners as well, what a dad with a child with him do to a teenager? What a weird world we actually live in!

No, please don't misquote me. I never said I don't care about the principle of single sex spaces. I said I don't care ( as in mind) about young boys being brought into women's changing areas if that's what their mum's feel is best for them.

I can't answer for others as to why they aren't campaigning for self contained family toilets.....

Personally I'm not, as trying to get more Changing Places toilets is more of a priority for me, as that has a greater impact on my personal family situation.

It can’t be completely unacceptable as many disabled toilets are where the baby changing facilities are.

I've obviously no idea what the actual man's rationale that the OP refers it was.

Going from previous posts it seems plenty of women do in fact dare to ask men to leave.

The people that have the view that a man has no place in a women's toilet, even when accompanying his young daughter all seems to be coming from the same view point that it totally goes against the grain and the majority of women are outraged by his presence. As I've said twice already on this thread the results of the poll suggest otherwise. It was a clear 50/50 divide of opinions.

Okay so you don’t care about the principle of single sex spaces. Why aren’t more people requesting family bathrooms or single self contained cubicles with basin?

Women are the ones who are inconvenienced at best and put in danger at worst.

Do you realise than men look after young children all the time ? It’s not remotely unusual for a man to walk through a shopping centre with young female daughters . It’s commonplace . And it’s common for young children to need the toilet asap. A man with a young child in the women’s toilets is highly unusual . So unusual I’ve never seen it in my entire life despite having used public toilets for 37 years

So if I decide it is better for my teenage son to be in the women’s then that is ok because I as a parent can decide why is best for my child?

No, I really couldn't care less about young boys being in women's changing rooms or toilets. I merely answered your question with regards to child development

I have a far less dogmatic outlook on what should it shouldn't happen. Within reason I feel people need to decide what's best for their own children.

Actually that's not strictly speaking true, I'd actually be quite concerned to think of a young boy being left alone in a male changing room or toilet. I'd consider it unwise for a parent to allow that. They're far too vulnerable at that age.

But you don’t get to consent for others, even if you are okay with it.

I wonder how he would react when his daughter is older if she encounters a man in the ladies?

How was it considered? He knew he would be able to do it and nobody would dare speak to him or ask him to leave. And if he has a daughter, it’s about time he started thinking about the rights of women and girls to single sex spaces.

Why didn’t he take her into the men’s? Why was it okay to potentially make women and girls uncomfortable (and in some cases unable to stay in there potentially)?

Actually I have absolutely been in this situation having grown up in a household of all female children with a male doing nearly all of the caring .

I find it strange that you have such strong feelings relating to a man taking his daughter to a woman's toilet, when it's a situation that you've never actually been in. Maybe the fact that a man taking his daughter to the woman's toilets does happen so infrequently should indicate to women that it's not a decision that he made lightly or merely done to trample over the rights of women. That a considered decision was made as to what was right for their particular circumstances.

Yes but not enough to care in the way teenagers do . Do you think women should not being 4 and 5 year old boys into the womens changing rooms for this reason ?

Opinions are less important than facts.

Good for you. I never used to have an issue with it but I would protest it because I don’t have the right to assume the consent of every other woman.

I would be surprised if you saw anyone say or do anything negative - because of the potential risk to themselves. So just because people don’t look bothered, it doesn’t mean they are fine with it.

I haven't either.

She has changed mine :)

Once you know about it, it is obvious.

Fully closed design means that someone with a health issue won't be found for too long.

Fully closed design means, that if somone gets attacked in it, they won't be heard.

Those are very specific safety concerns which can be resolved with gaps at single sex design.
In fully enclosed, the only solution would be an attendant observing the shared area between cubicles and noticing people not coming out.

It would bother me. Young children who need help are accompanied by the parent to the toilet that corresponds to the parents sex. Or the opposite sex parent waits outside and sends them in alone. I assume the men would not be very comfortable with women accompanying their young sons into the mens toilets.