Aibu feeling uneasy about men taking little girls to the toilet in the womens toilet?

Wrong! My son was abused in a men’s toilet and has observed man wanking next to him since.

Good women understand that if the only option is the men's with urinals most parents don't want their girls to have to see a load of penises. I don't and I live with 4 men/boys.

It’s not traumatic don’t be ridiculous. What’s traumatic about a man doing a pee ? Children are not sexual beings . Adult men are . Adult men should not be in the ladies . If little girls should not walk through the men’s then little boys should not either .

So a dad might rape a woman with his little daughter right there? How does this dystopian event even enter your mind?

What exactly do you think men are doing? When they are stood at the urinal nobody can see anything except the back of the man!

If you ask a man to leave in a single sex spaces and he disregards the request that tells you everything.

For all those say using the disabled loo, what if a disabled person needs access to it? The dad has options. The disabled person doesn't. Comparable to the use of a pram in the wheelchair space. Disabled people count too!

I think some people here might never have been inside a male toilet. They aren’t all walking round with their Nobs out. They are facing the wall, they have their penis in their hand… so unless it’s massive nobody is seeing anything.

You say disabled/family toilets like they are interchangeable. That isn't always the case. Some toilet are just for the use of disabled people. I have a disabled daughter and quite frequently have to wait for a parent with either multiple kids or a child of the opposite sex to vacate the toilet. It can be mildly frustrating, nevertheless I understand the parent made the best call given the circumstances. So just get on with the job at hand and think nothing more of it. Random man using the toilet, by all means make as much fuss as you like, a man taking his daughter to the toilet, maybe cut him some slack.

So little girls seeing men naked or with their penises out in the men’s toilets is less traumatic than an adult woman seeing a fully clothed man helping his small daughter use the toilet?

Feels like backwards day.

What?? 🤣

He's taking his little girl because she needs a wee, some nose poke tells him to get out and it would be 'alarming' if he rolls his eyes and continues his legitimate business?

I am guilty but from the other side. If there are no disabled toilets I have to take my son who has Down Syndrome and epilepsy into the ladies. I always check first with the ladies and have never had a problem, everyone has been so kind.

Women who have been raped don’t want to be vulnerable around unknown men . Women need single sex spaces. Women of certain religious beliefs don’t want to be sharing intimate spaces with a man. You can’t think of any risk?

That would be very alarming if he reacted like that.

There’s cubicles as well, you think men shit in urinals ?

They can use the cubicle in the men’s toilet . I went to the men’s changing rooms with my dad when I was a child . I can vaguely remember seeing the urinals and thinking they were gross . If I caught a glimpse of a man naked it certainly didn’t do me any harm. What’s the big deal ? Seeing men minding their own business doing a pee isn’t a traumatic or sexual sight . It’s just life . Fgs such ridiculous snowflakey attitudes

YABU to say that it's morally wrong to use the disabled toilets for this. It's a perfect use case.

YANBU but there should be a third space for dads to take little girls and for mums to take little boys. Was there another space or was it just ladies/mens?

And then what?

When he rolls his eyes and ignores you I mean?

And where I live.

Can anyone actually explain why it'a wrong, where the risk lies or why they are uncomfortable?

There's a lot of sweeping statements but the reasin why us missing from the majority?

Don't be ridiculous.

If the toilet is vacant, of course it's not unacceptable.

And if they come out to someone waiting, they'd have to wait if a disabled person had been in there.

It is same where I am.

In this situation - where there is a disabled loo available he should have taken them there.

The fact remains parents get to make their safeguarding decisions not a load of randoms on a MN thread.

The Legal Status

• No criminal offense: There is no specific UK law that makes it a crime for a man to enter a women's public toilet to help his child.
• Business rules: Private shops, restaurants, and venues set their own access policies.
• EHRC guidance: The Equality and Human Rights Commission issued guidance stating that single-sex spaces like toilets should generally operate based on biological sex.
• Not direct law: This official guidance helps businesses create local policies, but it is not a direct criminal statute