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Aibu feeling uneasy about men taking little girls to the toilet in the womens toilet?

514 replies

Fasdmama · Yesterday 10:57

I've seen this a few times and I dont know what is the right thing to do.
So the other week we were at the cinema. I took my daughter to the toilet and as I was waiting for her a man came out of a cubicle with a little girl and went to wash her hands.
It got me thinking.
I feel uncomfortable a man in the womens toilet. I understand how you'd potentially feel uncomfortable taking a daughter into the mens toilets.
And the only other option in this situation was the disabled toilet but morally thats wrong.

I dont know what I feel is right in this situation so wanted to know other people's opinions.
So yabu: its right for a man to take girl into female toilets
Yanbu: he should take her somewhere else...but where?

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Crow55 · Yesterday 12:33

Greyhound98 · Yesterday 12:32

Men should take their daughters in to the men’s loos if their daughter is not old enough to go in the ladies alone. Cover their eyes if they feel they have to, or have a quick look in before going in with the child to make sure no bloke is stood there with his pants round his ankles, which wouldn’t be appropriate for a boy child either 🤷‍♀️

There is no should about it with safeguarding. Parents should make judgements based on their children and where they are.

TinyTempest · Yesterday 12:33

olivepicanto · Yesterday 12:29

Nosy toilet user?

its a women,s space. He doesn't belong there.

He does if his daughter needs to pee.

Random321 · Yesterday 12:32

RoaryLion1 · Yesterday 12:29

But what do you think is going to happen in the men’s toilet, if Dad is in there too? Surely you’d use the cubicle so it’s not like you’re hanging out in the men’s for ages?

I don't believe anything is going to happen but a young girl shouldn't have to go in there if she doesn't want.

She doesn't have to worry about seeing men at urinals or feeling she's in the wrong place.

Surely a child should be prioritised over grown women?

NullaEffugium · Yesterday 12:32

This is short sighted, you get little girls used to using a cubicle in the men’s toilets while surrounded by strange adult men peeing, then when they grow up they won’t care about single sex spaces for women. They will be ok with unisex toilets and hearing men pissing in urinals while they say cor did you see how cute she was? I could eat her up.

olivepicanto · Yesterday 12:32

Crispsjamtarts · Yesterday 12:23

"Parenting in the most appropriate toilet"? Lol.
By that logic, that would be mean a little girl is safest in the women's toilet instead of going into the gents, with multiple men pissing at the urinals for instance.

Ridiculous "lol"

she's with her father. What's the issue

Greyhound98 · Yesterday 12:32

Men should take their daughters in to the men’s loos if their daughter is not old enough to go in the ladies alone. Cover their eyes if they feel they have to, or have a quick look in before going in with the child to make sure no bloke is stood there with his pants round his ankles, which wouldn’t be appropriate for a boy child either 🤷‍♀️

Duckduckgander · Yesterday 12:31

Tralalalala88 · Yesterday 12:27

The women in the toilet don’t know who this man is . He is a strange man and that’s that . Adult men should never ever be in female only spaces .

So do the men in the men's toilet have the same right over their single sex space, have they the right to bar the young girl to enter the toilet or to demand she leave?

Tralalalala88 · Yesterday 12:31

Random321 · Yesterday 12:27

It's grown women putting their wishes above that of young children.

No young girl should have to go into a adult male toliet if she doesn't want to.

It's a wise mum that doesn't let her young pboy go into a male tolet in his own and brings him to the ladies instead.

Shocked that so many grown put their own needs above that of a child.

But the dad would be with the child . What do you think is going go happen .

Maray1967 · Yesterday 12:30

MiceSpiders · Yesterday 11:02

It doesn't make sense to me and seems to be coming out of an American movement online. You don't want you daughter around men in toilets so you a man go into the women's toilets where other people's daughters are

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Exactly. It is simple. You take your young DC into the toilets that match your sex. I took my young DSs into the women’s loos. I didn’t use the gents!

A dad should take his daughter into the gents, moving her swiftly past the urinals.

Fupoffyagrasshole · Yesterday 12:30

My husband does tend to take her in men’s if disabled not available but he hates it cus it smells like piss and there’s usually wee on the floor or the seat and there might be men at the urinals it’s not a nice place for a little girl

PhaedraTwo · Yesterday 12:29

takealettermsjones · Yesterday 11:24

So much of this would be solved in about two hours if venues would just design men's bathrooms like a sensible person - either put the cubicles first so you have to walk past them to get to the out-of-sight urinals, or put saloon doors around the urinals. I have never understood this tbh!

The men's loos in our new office have no urinals. The toilets for men and women are segregated but they're identical in layout. Cubicles with floor to ceiling doors and a row of washbasins.No reason why a father couldn't take a young daughter in.

NullaEffugium · Yesterday 12:29

Tralalalala88 · Yesterday 12:27

The women in the toilet don’t know who this man is . He is a strange man and that’s that . Adult men should never ever be in female only spaces .

So the little girl should pee within ear shot of half a dozen strange men, after having to walk past them while they are partially undressed with their genitalia outside their clothing?

Make it make sense. How is this nothing, but an adult woman seeing a fully clothed dad helping a little girl some kind of horror show?

Loub1987 · Yesterday 12:29

Wouldnt really bother me to see a man in there but I know it does bother other women so no, he shouldn’t be in there.

My DH takes our daughter into the men’s if I’m not there.

RoaryLion1 · Yesterday 12:29

Random321 · Yesterday 12:27

It's grown women putting their wishes above that of young children.

No young girl should have to go into a adult male toliet if she doesn't want to.

It's a wise mum that doesn't let her young pboy go into a male tolet in his own and brings him to the ladies instead.

Shocked that so many grown put their own needs above that of a child.

But what do you think is going to happen in the men’s toilet, if Dad is in there too? Surely you’d use the cubicle so it’s not like you’re hanging out in the men’s for ages?

olivepicanto · Yesterday 12:29

TinyTempest · Yesterday 12:26

His little girl bursting for a pee takes precedence over some nosy toilet user wanting to make both father and daughter feel bad.

Or at least it will if he's a decent, caring father.

Nosy toilet user?

its a women,s space. He doesn't belong there.

TinyTempest · Yesterday 12:29

Tralalalala88 · Yesterday 12:27

The women in the toilet don’t know who this man is . He is a strange man and that’s that . Adult men should never ever be in female only spaces .

And they don't know who the women are either.

They could be drugged up psychos for all anyone knows 🤷‍♂️

NullaEffugium · Yesterday 12:28

FourSevenFive · Yesterday 12:26

Are you suggesting mothers should take their young sons to the gents? In the end, it is the boy who is using the toilet.

I’m saying that girls have rights too. She has been hardly considered but she’s the one that needs a safe, private toilet.

TinyTempest · Yesterday 12:28

NullaEffugium · Yesterday 12:23

Time for the what about women washing moon cups in the sink comments.

Which is a whole other level of disgusting anyway.

Not to mention a health risk.

Tralalalala88 · Yesterday 12:27

TinyTempest · Yesterday 12:26

His little girl bursting for a pee takes precedence over some nosy toilet user wanting to make both father and daughter feel bad.

Or at least it will if he's a decent, caring father.

The women in the toilet don’t know who this man is . He is a strange man and that’s that . Adult men should never ever be in female only spaces .

RoaryLion1 · Yesterday 12:27

When my DH takes DD out he will generally use a disabled loo where possible, but if not then the men’s loo. He’d feel really uncomfortable taking her to the women’s loo. And not sure what anyone thinks is going to happen to her in the men’s loo - it’s not like he’s dangling her over the communal urinal for a wee, there are cubicles.

Random321 · Yesterday 12:27

It's grown women putting their wishes above that of young children.

No young girl should have to go into a adult male toliet if she doesn't want to.

It's a wise mum that doesn't let her young pboy go into a male tolet in his own and brings him to the ladies instead.

Shocked that so many grown put their own needs above that of a child.

NullaEffugium · Yesterday 12:26

ExtraOnions · Yesterday 12:23

…and the problem with that is? Nobody is waving them around, you see the back of them and then (horrors) might hear someone urinating. It’s hardly the end of days.

You’re not answering my question at all. Why do you think little girls in the men’s toilets is less traumatic than a fully clothed dad with his little girl in the women’s? What end of days are you afraid of?

I think it’s really naive to think all the strange men in the men’s toilets are good guys. Surely the odds are better if an adult sees 1 clothed dad with a child than he isn’t a predator versus a little girl being forced to use the toilet in the men’s toilets with potentially half a dozen men lingering about?

TinyTempest · Yesterday 12:26

MiceSpiders · Yesterday 12:15

He will at least realise he is isn't wanted there and that at least some women will speak up. Men don't need to be everywhere no matter how much they want to be.

The faux naivety on this thread is astonishing

His little girl bursting for a pee takes precedence over some nosy toilet user wanting to make both father and daughter feel bad.

Or at least it will if he's a decent, caring father.

Utterlybutter · Yesterday 12:26

No man should be in a women's toilet. Tells you a lot about the entitlement of some men. I've only come across it once and I told him to get out. He tried to argue with me but I could see he wasn't 100% he was right anyway and he got out.

Duckduckgander · Yesterday 12:26

stillhiding1990 · Yesterday 12:11

And that level of entitlement is a problem, it’s not a uni sex space.

So what right's does the young girl have? Does she have the right to use a woman's toilet? Does she have the right to have the help that she requires from her parent? I don't think men taking their daughters to a women's toilet are using the opportunity to enforce their perceived rights. I think most men would rather not encounter a mob of hostile women, but it's the lesser of two evils of taking the kid to a men's toilet. I think this has become such an issue as it's somehow merged with women objecting to men identifying as women using women only spaces. That I can understand but I see the scenario that OP raised as totally different.